NRA: Chris Cox Resigns

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badkarmamib said:
My membership ran out last month. If this "revamping" continues, I will consider renewing. In the meantime, I will send my contributions to organizations more in line with my ideals.
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My thoughts exactly, there are great defenders of the 2A that aren't the NRA. They will get my money until this mess gets cleaned up. The NRA needs to get back to the basics: defend ALL firearms AND firearm accessories from regulation, and promote safe use of firearms, and promote the basic ideals of the 2A which are the citizens rights to firearms for protection from both criminals as well as a run away tyrannical government, and for sporting use. There should be no appeasement when it comes to the 2A, we are already under a 2A that has been severely limited by past federal laws, any additional laws that go unchallenged by a pro-2A organization should be a clear sign not to support that 2A group.
 
As bad as it has become, it is still the primer organization for lobbying in favor of most gun rights. They certainly have failed on a few, but still.

If GOA had the same number of voting members, it should and would take the lead in our favor.
 
AlexanderA said:
Hmmm... Chris was forced out by Wayne. Chris leaving makes it less likely that Wayne will be leaving.
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Chris is being pushed out to appease the NRA masses, it won't work on me, there is more to the festering wound that needs to be removed. Removing Chris just pushes the blame for reduced income coming in and member attrition towards Wayne. I don't think this will stop here, there are too many who feel that the NRA has lost it's way, and this press that just came out this year cannot be swept under the rug. There is too much cronyism going on between the administration types and board members.

The NRA has caved on too many positions lately, bumpstocks being the more recent one.
 
I can't help but think the "life membership" drive was a big mistake. They sucked some of their funding pipeline dry with that... and then, apparently, wasted it on haircuts and "interns" and ranting commercials about the evils of free speech.

Like a spoiled teenager getting his inheritance money all in one big shot. Hookers and blow...
 
Mousegun said:
As bad as it has become, it is still the primer organization for lobbying in favor of most gun rights.....
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That is the best reason it should be ended forever. It purports to peddle people's rights.

There's no weaseling around this fact. It's supporters consistently make one argument: that it's the most powerful force acting on behalf of their rights. As long as anyone remains convinced their rights are subject to "pull peddlers" gaining favor through government pressure groups, social courtesies, cocktail-party or luncheon “friendships," favors, threats, bribes, and blackmail, then the NRA will continue to stand as the greatest enemy of 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone who thinks the NRA can be "cleaned up" to serve some legitimate function fails to recognize that there is no criterion for the just, equitable, rational application of an unjust, inequitable, irrational principle.

It will only ever be in the absence of the NRA that gun rights are secured. So long as the NRA exists, there will be some that are paying others for them.
 
lab', if you name a constitutional right, you will find that there are organizations that exist to defend it. Bringing lawsuits costs money. Explaining to legislators that, despite the whims of the majority, these rights exist for a reason costs money. Trying to keep some kind of balance in the paid speech space against billionaires who hate particular rights requires money.

You just about have to have some kind of organization(s) to keep controversial rights in existence. No other way to do it for long.

Thus, it is essential that such organizations behave themselves and plot smart approaches. Much rides on their competence.
 
ATLDave said:
lab', if you name a constitutional right, you will find that there are organizations that exist to defend it.
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That doesn't justify the practice.
ATLDave said:
Bringing lawsuits costs money.
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The violation of civil rights is a criminal matter.

ATLDave said:
Explaining to legislators that, despite the whims of the majority, these rights exist for a reason costs money.
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It is unlawful for them to legislate away these rights. Unless they repeal the 2nd, their infringements are unlawful.


ATLDave said:
Trying to keep some kind of balance in the paid speech space against billionaires who hate particular rights requires money.
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Rights are not subject to paid speech. What's happening here is some people, apparently including yourself, have decided that their interests and rights take precedence over the interests and rights of others and therefore they must strive against opposition in an effort to be regarded as "the public" for whom the government's policy will grant favor, and therefore government influence becomes a marketable product in a contest among those who can acquire the most.

ATLDave said:
You just about have to have some kind of organization(s) to keep controversial rights in existence. No other way to do it for long.

Thus, it is essential that such organizations behave themselves and plot smart approaches. Much rides on their competence.
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You're deceived. What you're asserting is utterly detestable. Don't mistake me for being naive. I am aware this is "the way it works," but I disagree that it must be, or that this is worth supporting or advocating for, or that it can ever be right.
 
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Bottom line......the NRA is really the only game in town.Letting it go only puts us all in further peril. If you don't like it...fix it. No other pro-2A group can boast the numbers of the NRA. The other groups might be "better", but they just don't have the voter and financial weight of the NRA
 
What you're asserting is utterly detestable.
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You almost said "deplorable" didn't you?

As long as we have a society of any kind, people will try to exert control of different populations by taking away rights. It's happened over and over and over throughout history. How many emperors and kings and dictators took control of nations in the past, and removed liberties of its citizens to solidify their power?

Having a constitution, a bill of rights, and a whole bunch of good ass laws that protect our personal liberties does not in any way mean that people will not seek to change those laws. How many bills get proposed specifically with this intent? If left unchallenged and undefended, there are certainly plenty of law makers, judges, and executive politicians out there who would happily deconstruct the bill of writes "for the sake of the children".

Without groups who are willing to take legal action against proposed infringement of our rights, and who are willing to put our rights in the spotlight, we will only see those rights taken away. I mean it's as simple as the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

We all vote for our representatives. Well paying people to represent your interests is no different than paying legal council in my mind. I don't particularly care for how the NRA conducts itself or portrays itself, but we need organizations to fight for our rights. Itf it isn't them, fine, I'll happily support the next best option.
 
The organization should continue, but the organization is NOT the personnel. Loyalty to the cause is not loyalty to failed leadership. We are loyal to the USA if a citizen but have no trouble switching leadership.
 
GEM said:
The organization should continue, but the organization is NOT the personnel. Loyalty to the cause is not loyalty to failed leadership. We are loyal to the USA if a citizen but have no trouble switching leadership.
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Well said, and should be taken to heart
 
jonnyc said:
Bottom line......the NRA is really the only game in town.Letting it go only puts us all in further peril. If you don't like it...fix it. No other pro-2A group can boast the numbers of the NRA. The other groups might be "better", but they just don't have the voter and financial weight of the NRA
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Agreed! That's why I'll continue to support the NRA.
 
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Chris is being pushed out to appease the NRA masses, it won't work on me, there is more to the festering wound that needs to be removed.
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Wayne's problem with the NRA rank and file is a long-term one. His short-term problem is with the insiders, of whom Chris was one, along with Ollie, etc. Wayne had to eliminate all rivals and potential rivals. Whatever else we can say about Wayne, he's very good at this Byzantine inside politics.
 
Mullo98 said:
Well, hopefully this is a step in the right direction. But there’s still several hurdles to jump...
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1. Wayne LaPierre will have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. He won't go quietly.
2. The organization is caught in the doldrums until Wayne, in fact, is removed.
3. It's hard to see who or what will remove him. That means the organization will be a non-factor, politically, for the foreseeable future including, at least, the 2020 elections.
4.The antigunners are rubbing their hands with glee at this prospect.
5. In view of the above, it's a fair question to ask whether Wayne, all along, has been some kind of plant or Manchurian candidate. What has he ever done, personally, to promote 2nd Amendment rights? A case can be made that his entire tenure has been one action after another against gun rights.
 
AlexanderA said:
1. Wayne LaPierre will have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. He won't go quietly.
2. The organization is caught in the doldrums until Wayne, in fact, is removed.
3. It's hard to see who or what will remove him. That means the organization will be a non-factor, politically, for the foreseeable future including, at least, the 2020 elections.
4.The antigunners are rubbing their hands with glee at this prospect.
5. In view of the above, it's a fair question to ask whether Wayne, all along, has been some kind of plant or Manchurian candidate. What has he ever done, personally, to promote 2nd Amendment rights? A case can be made that his entire tenure has been one action after another against gun rights.
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All good points there, brother. Pretty much my views as well. But I’ll also add that even if he does get removed; will the NRA even be remotely savable by then ?
 
If these lobby groups are so important to our society, what is the "group," the 501(c)4 that speaks for the church? The evangelicals? The "religious right?" Because they seem to be doing a lot better than the NRA with their agenda. So which one group holds that power for the church, that is "the only game in town," without which the church would be in peril, that boasts the numbers and the financial weight?
 
Honestly, as a Lifetime Member but also your average Joe on the gun range, I am quite befuddled by the goings on.

With Wayne, Chris, Ollie, the DRat lawyer / son in law, the A-M group I can not keep track of what has all happened - and to whom - and by whom. A darn scorecard is required.

Has Wayne gotten too comfortable in his riches? Did Chris try a coup? Was Ollie really the best choice for Prez?

I don’t know what to think.
 
The NRA is like a dirty, filthy television evangelist, and its supporters' justification for continuing to promote it is that the church will die without it. It is not anymore the voice of those who assert the RKBA than a scandalous pariah is the voice of Christians. The conviction that civil rights or even an ideology or lifestyle needs to be protected by and advocated for through sleezy pull-peddlers is simply absurd. Whether the NRA's demise was crafted by its enemies or a result of internal corruption, greed, and folly, it best serves those who cherish and assert the RKBA that it become clear the NRA never held the role of their representative and never will, and that the destruction of the NRA won't diminish the assertion of these rights in any way. The NRA is like the pope. Whether it behaves or not, never needed such a thing. But some won't let it go.
 
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