Graystar
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Port Authority Police DepartmentWhat does PAPD mean?
Port Authority Police DepartmentWhat does PAPD mean?
But the NY airports (JFK and LaGuardia) are also gateways to other eastern states. It costs half as much to fly from most states into NY than to land at Hartford-Springfield, making NY the logical airport if you have to travel to most parts of Connecticut. JFK and LaGuardia also service NJ, since they together with Newark make up the port authority and many cities don't offer connections to Newark because the airlines already fly to JFK and/or LaGuardia.Problem being that FOPA covers travel THROUGH one state to another. If their final destination is NYS, they need to be properly licensed in NYS to possess while in NYS. If they fly into NY and then later LEAVE NYS with that gun, they obviously haven't been travelling THROUGH NYS as per FOPA, they have been IN NYS for that period of time without the required permit. Unless they wer eengaged in one of the permit- exempted activities listed in the law, they'll find themselves in a jam.
You seem to be under the notion that the provisions of 18USC926A apply because you are traveling. That is incorrect. This law applies to the transport of firearms...not the travel of people. That is to say, just because you're traveling, doesn't mean you get to bring your guns along. The law simply provides for a method to legally transport firearms...your travel plans notwithstanding.But the NY airports (JFK and LaGuardia) are also gateways to other eatsrn states.
See the “if� Next comes the conditions that must be maintained...shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if
It’s fairly clear that you must have a vehicle. But between the time you get off the plane and board a bus, you don’t have a vehicle. As such you are not in compliance with the law.during such transportation the firearm is unloaded
neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible
or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle
Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
I also seriously doubt a court would hold that public transportation is a legitimate vehicle for transporting firearms under 18USC926A.
Section 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or
regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any
person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from
transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to
transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he
may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place
where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during
such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the
firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible
or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such
transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle
without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the
firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container
other than the glove compartment or console.
Nowhere prior to where I highlighted the word "such" is there any mention of a vehicle. If a vehicle has not been mentioned, described, or defined, how can the text refer to "such" vehicle? The logical response to that is WHAT vehicle?Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person ... shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle:
That doesn’t make any sense. It’s a one-paragraph statute...they mentioned vehicle when it was appropriate to do so. Far more telling is what comes after the part you quoted...If a vehicle has not been mentioned, described, or defined, how can the text refer to "such" vehicle? The logical response to that is WHAT vehicle?
Thanks to federal mishmash the statute isn’t crystal clear...but I’d bet you’d have a very difficult time trying to convince a judge that a Greyhound or Amtrak from NY to Connecticut qualifies.Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
I do not believe that is correct. The intent of the law was to provide a federally protected method of transporting firearms. Whether you're transporting the firearms for use on your vacation, or just delivering a firearm (say, as a bequeathment) is irrelevant. What’s being provided is a transport method...not a way to enhance your vacation. That is to say, the focus of the law is movement of firearms, not the support of travelers’ rights or privileges in whatever state they happen to desire to go.Nonetheless, it IS clear that the intent of the law is to allow individuals to transport firearms WITH THEM when they travel.
You’re traveling all the time, but you’re not in a vehicle all the time. And like I said, I seriously doubt a court will hold that public vehicles qualify.since I will be in transit at all times I am in NY, I should be covered.
No, not a personally owned vehicle...just a vehicle. You can rent or borrow one. I think, though, that it’s clear you have to have one. A public vehicle isn’t going to cut it.I'm not sure that 18USC926A actually requires a personally owned vehicle, since that would be somewhat discriminatory (sp?).
You and me both!...though I HATE what he's saying...
We just had a similar situation, although not entirely the same scenario: we arrested a woman who was a NYS resident who was trying to fly out of our airport with a handgun and no permit. WHY someone would try to do that when they know a permit is required, who knows. Anyway, she was arrested.
Is "your airport" in NYS? If not, why are you enforcing a NYS law?
Why do people do things like that? Remember, an IQ of 100 is an average ... which means 1/2 of the people you meet are below that