officer charged for the shooting in texas.

Status
Not open for further replies.

eastbank

Member
Joined
Jul 30, 2009
Messages
5,017
he was charged very fast for the shooting of the women in texas, it does not look good for him.
 
And from the libertarian Reason:
Zuri Davis, "Texas Police Fatally Shot a Woman in Her Own Home After a Neighbor Asked for a Welfare Check", Reason, 14 Oct 2019.
"The neighbor later said, "If I had never dialed the police department, she'd still be alive."
Body camera footage shows the responding officers walking around the outside of the house with a flashlight. At one point, an officer sees someone in the window, points his flashlight, and tells the person inside, "Put your hands up! Show me your hands!" A gunshot can be heard immediately after. At no point in the video are the responding officers heard announcing themselves as law enforcement.
Cops need to realize that ordinary citizens startled by demanding cops won't immediately respond like street-wise criminals, who cops expect to comply or fail to comply (resist). Freezing like a deer in the headlights is probably most people's reaction to that situation.
https://reason.com/2019/10/14/texas...e-after-a-neighbor-asked-for-a-welfare-check/
 
And without IDing themselves as police, how was she to know someone in dark clothes sneaking quietly around her house at 2:30 AM wasn't a bad guy. The officer is lucky he didn't get shot under those circumstances.

Why didn't they just knock on the front door?

Good points. From what I read, the Cops were outside, walking around her house. The homeowner could not see the vehicles. The Police shot her inside her house as she was at the window. If you have people walking around your house, should you be shot and killed for looking out the window trying to figure out, who, what, and why people are out there?
 
And without IDing themselves as police, how was she to know someone in dark clothes sneaking quietly around her house at 2:30 AM wasn't a bad guy.
She probably would not be ab;e to know.

The officer is lucky he didn't get shot under those circumstances.
I guess there may have been some risk of a resident stupidly and unlawfully firing at persons outside.
 
Excessive "tactical" mentality inculcated by training. Too much emphasis on the tiny fraction of incidents in which cops lose fights because they didn't react quickly/harshly enough. Too little actual proficiency training with their weapons, leaving them perpetually concerned about being "behind the curve," which leads to "cheating" with early starts to the fight.

But even more than this: The law of large numbers. If there are 1 million LEO's in the U.S. (IDK if that's right, but that seems a conservative/low estimate), and .01% of them are idiots or malicious (a preposterously low estimate), then you've got 100 morons and criminals-with-badges out there.
 
I guess there may have been some risk of a resident stupidly and unlawfully firing at persons outside.

If you look outside your window at 2am and some unknown person is in your yard aiming a gun at you through your glass window, I'm not sure shooting them would consistently be unlawful. A gun pointed at you in a purposeful way certainly bespeaks an intent to do you lethal harm. And most states do not require a retreat inside your own home.

There have also been cases in which police executed no-knock or other unanounced raids on homes where there were no criminals, and the surprised citizens engaged in gunfights with the police. There was a high-profile case a couple of decades ago in my city where an elderly woman (a non-criminal) was subjected to a no-knock raid (a lot of made up nonsense on the warrant application). She very reasonably shot at the strange men who kicked down her door. They killed her. Lots of fallout from that, including manslaughter charges for the cops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting

There does seem to be a pretty clear pattern. People are willing to cut cops a lot of slack for mistakes that happen "in the street," but when cops screw up and kill someone (who is law-abiding) in their own home, they generally go to jail.
 
If you look outside your window at 2am and some unknown person is in your yard aiming a gun at you through your glass window, I'm not sure shooting them would consistently be unlawful. A gun pointed at you in a purposeful way certainly bespeaks an intent to do you lethal harm. And most states do not require a retreat inside your own home.
The comment"was about someone in dark clothes walking quietly".

There is no way to know anyone's intent.

One may have a basis for assessing ability, opportunity and maybe, just maybe, possible jeopardy, but the fact that retreat within the home may not be required does not negate the importance of the issue of preclusion.

One is only justified in the use of deadly force only when there is a basis for a reasonable belief that it is immediately necessary. to defend against an imminent threat of death or serious injury.

Would you shoot an officer outside with gun in hand out side? I certainly wouldn't.
 
This sort of thing happens very infrequently: When it does happen it's all over the news and web.

From what i read a neighbor called the police and reported a door to the lady's home open. We are not privy to the conversation/s between the responding officer, other officers and dispatch.

Police folks come from the giant pool of humanity that produces boy molesting priests, crooked politician and scam artists. Not all policemen/women are properly trained in night time operations.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top