Ohio: Bill to loosen regulations for concealed-handgun licenses Passes

[Midwest]

Ohio: Bill to loosen regulations for concealed-handgun licenses Passes

House Bill 234 Which passed the House and Senate now heads to Governor John Kasich

Reduce classroom requirements from 12 hours to 8. Two of those hours in person training. The rest online or in person. Scrap residency rules that require 45 days as a Ohio Resident before getting a permit. Automatically recognize concealed licenses from other states that recognizes Ohio licenses. This would bypass the requirements that the attorney general would have to enter in agreement. It would enable Ohio Concealed Carry licenses bypass NICS checks. Six month grace period for members of the military and other organizations and their families.


(This bill also included allowing silencers to be used for hunting. I posted that separately to the NFA forum)

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index...ense_changes_pass_final_legislative_vote.html

"The Ohio House voted 69-16 to concur with the concealed-handgun changes, which were added Tuesday by the state Senate. The measure now heads to Gov. John Kasich's desk for his signature."
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[Havok7416]

Heck yeah! I hope he signs, I need to get my permit

 

[Sol]

Don't care if he signs.

Just hope he doesn't veto it.

I think there is something in there about magazine limits and NFA items MUST be signed off by CLEO if you are legit.

 

[HankR]

I'd appreciate the reciprocity aspects. Got kin in Ohio and spend some time there.

 

[JN01]

I think there is something in there about magazine limits (Yes, it does away with the classification of any centerfire with a 31 round or more magazine as an "automatic weapon") and NFA items MUST be signed off by CLEO if you are legit. (Yes.)

 

[BoltLover]

I would use the word suppressor not silencer as the noise will not be reduced to a minimum, But only a slight reduction. The NRA stresses this.


Bolt

 

[Midwest]

I think there is something in there about magazine limits (Yes, it does away with the classification of any centerfire with a 31 round or more magazine as an "automatic weapon") and NFA items MUST be signed off by CLEO if you are legit. (Yes.)

Correct, I saw this in another forum


http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...asses-Senate&p=2114638&viewfull=1#post2114638

"What is eliminated, if signed into law, is a 31 or more round magazine equaling machine-gun. Hello 50 round magazines....

Also, minor misdemeanor weed charge is not a roadblock to a CCL. "
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[AlexanderA]

Reduce classroom requirements from 12 hours to 8. Two of those hours in person training. The rest online or in person.

I often wonder if such training requirements are really a "Gun Instructors' Full Employment Act." The gun instructors must have a powerful lobby. Here in Virginia, the entire training can be conducted online, but it's still a major part of the cost of obtaining a license. What does a mickey-mouse online course prove? Do away with it altogether. Training is recommended (if you need it) but it should be voluntary.

 

[Styx]

I often wonder if such training requirements are really a "Gun Instructors' Full Employment Act." The gun instructors must have a powerful lobby. Here in Virginia, the entire training can be conducted online, but it's still a major part of the cost of obtaining a license. What does a mickey-mouse online course prove? Do away with it altogether. Training is recommended (if you need it) but it should be voluntary.

I do not know... On one side I agree with you, but on the other I think it's a necessary evil. I think the most important things learned from the "training requirements" are what the laws are. I can't tell you how many people that I know who have not taken a class, but own a gun and have a very limited knowledge and a lot of misconceptions of the law regarding firearms. Most online classes and even some in person classes only cost $50. Not a lot of money compared the the legal headache some might find themselves in...

Just be glad that VA doesn't require mandatory 8-12 hours training and a specified amount of hours at the range... If that ever happens, the cost of classes would be in the $300 range.

 

[1911 guy]

I am of two minds on the training. On one hand, I think it behooves anyone who uses or carries a firearm to know how to use it well and the law about using it. On the other hand, the 2A does not say "as long as they have training".

I see this bill as a good thing. Like Sol said, no veto is as good as signed. I'd like to see where this goes with Pa. reciprocity. Right now Oh. won't recognize Pa. because of training requirement issues, so Pa. won't recognize ours. Tit for Tat. Hope this solves it, it's getting to be a pain keeping 2 permits. Used to be able to mail order the Pa. as long as you had a valid Oh.

 

[rtroha]

I'd like to see where this goes with Pa. reciprocity. Right now Oh. won't recognize Pa. because of training requirement issues, so Pa. won't recognize ours. Tit for Tat. Hope this solves it, it's getting to be a pain keeping 2 permits. Used to be able to mail order the Pa. as long as you had a valid Oh.

Considering PA's current attorney general is anti-gun and has been cancelling reciprocity agreements, don't hold your breath.

 

[rtroha]

Ohio will recognize the licenses of all states of folks visiting or passing through Ohio.

(3) If, on or after the effective date of this amendment, a person who is not a resident of this state has a valid concealed handgun license that was issued by another license-issuing state, regardless of whether the other license-issuing state has entered into a reciprocity agreement with the attorney general under division (A)(1) of this section, and the person is temporarily in this state, during the time that the person is temporarily in this state the license issued by the other license-issuing state shall be recognized in this state, shall be accepted and valid in this state, and grants the person the same right to carry a concealed handgun in this state as a person who was issued a concealed handgun license under section 2923.125 of the Revised Code.

 

[simonstough]

ive been happy about this bill since march. apparently it was written by a panel of sheriffs deputies that are very pro-gun.

 

[coyotehitman]

The last thing Ohio needs to do is lessen training requirements. There are enough uneducated gun toters in this state who don't understand their responsibilities when carrying. Ohio needs to increase training requirements.

Training is recommended (if you need it) but it should be voluntary.

Perfect....so long as they don't intend to come within 500 yards of me or mine while armed. I don't need to suffer a loss because some untrained buffoon mishandles a gun.

 

[Manny]

As an Ohio resident I'm VERY happy with many of the changes they've made lately. A pretty darn good place to live if you like guns.

 

[huntsman]

It would enable Ohio Concealed Carry licenses bypass NICS checks.

That's my only complaint with this, now they need to move forward on the school CC issues.

 

[Mainsail]

The last thing Ohio needs to do is lessen training requirements. There are enough uneducated gun toters in this state who don't understand their responsibilities when carrying. Ohio needs to increase training requirements.



Perfect....so long as they don't intend to come within 500 yards of me or mine while armed. I don't need to suffer a loss because some untrained buffoon mishandles a gun.

Wow.

Civil rights are a frightening thing.

 

[Grumulkin]

"What is eliminated, if signed into law, is a 31 or more round magazine equaling machine-gun. Hello 50 round magazines....

Also, minor misdemeanor weed charge is not a roadblock to a CCL."

It's interesting that magazines holding many more than 31 rounds are sold openly at gun shows in Ohio with plenty of LEOs in attendance. That law isn't enforced at all.

A "minor" misdemeanor weed charge? I'm not sure I want druggies packing heat.

 

[481]

Ohio will recognize the licenses of all states of folks visiting or passing through Ohio.

(3) If, on or after the effective date of this amendment, a person who is not a resident of this state has a valid concealed handgun license that was issued by another license-issuing state, regardless of whether the other license-issuing state has entered into a reciprocity agreement with the attorney general under division (A)(1) of this section, and the person is temporarily in this state, during the time that the person is temporarily in this state the license issued by the other license-issuing state shall be recognized in this state, shall be accepted and valid in this state, and grants the person the same right to carry a concealed handgun in this state as a person who was issued a concealed handgun license under section 2923.125 of the Revised Code.

That's a great addition to the law. Hopefully other states will follow suit...

 

[Speedo66]

It's interesting that magazines holding many more than 31 rounds are sold openly at gun shows in Ohio with plenty of LEOs in attendance. That law isn't enforced at all.

A "minor" misdemeanor weed charge? I'm not sure I want druggies packing heat.

I've been told it only goes into effect if inserted into a gun. Possession is OK, just can't load it. Makes as much sense as most gun laws.

There are no doubt plenty of people carrying while under the effects of prescription drugs and alcohol. I don't think a previous grass charge is a big deal.

 

[agtman]

Training is recommended (if you need it) but it should be voluntary

Perfect....so long as they don't intend to come within 500 yards of me or mine while armed. I don't need to suffer a loss because some untrained buffoon mishandles a gun.

Dude, you just defined the training level which a lot of LEOs in Ohio fall below (unfortunately), not just civies. There have been on-duty incidents where one cop negligently discharged his handgun at roll call striking another cop - and guess what? The cop who got shot was given an early disability retirement, and the cop who fuglied his gun-handling got an early psyche-disability retirement. No criminal charges preferred, because, well ... "accidents happen."

Yes, training first and last - but even a statutorily-prescribed number of hours, large or small, is no guarantee, whether it's for civies or cops.

 

[HankR]

Have to disagree with CoyoteHitman. I don't feel that this right should be infringed or otherwise subject to qualifications.

 

[1911 guy]

Agreed. When someone does something bone-headed with a gun, it makes news and we all get a bad rap. But far more often, people get offed by cars, falls, doctors and sometimes sheer dumb luck. But somehow restricting who can and can't carry a gun does something magical to the death rate. Must be unicorns involved somehow. At least that's my best theory.

 

[DoubleMag]

Wow.

Civil rights are a frightening thing.

Yes just like 1st A rights to free speech, how much SCHOOL is (ugly word) MANDATED? Learning, of anything, isn't through osmosis.

It will succeed, not because it's a good approach to rights or law, but by SHEER WEIGHT of numbers; the vast majority (thank goodness) will never have to use their CHL, and therefore followup with LEO // Legal stuff.

 

[HexHead]

Just be glad that VA doesn't require mandatory 8-12 hours training and a specified amount of hours at the range... If that ever happens, the cost of classes would be in the $300 range.

Why? Here in TN, 8 hours training is mandatory. 4 in classroom and 4 at the range with qualification. Prices range from about $65-99.