Opportunity in the news

[hso]

Recently President Trump misspoke about the murder rate when he said that the murder rate was the highest in "45-47 years" when he may have been thinking of the rate of change in a jump from 2015 FBI Uniform Crime Report data.

This error has been jumped on by press organizations that typically have been the enemy of the 2A and it makes a handy tool in arguing with Antis that put undying faith in CNN, CBS, Washington Post, etc. The dissonance of having to agree that the murder rate has been dropping and that we're nowhere near the murder rates during the "Cocaine Wars" while ownership if AR-15 rifles has grown AND their uniform dislike of President Trump is something we can use to open their minds to the truth.

Using the Anti press to make our argument that there's no reason for restrictions on firearms when shall issue for carry has grown, purchases of AR-15s has grown, and the number of people who have been issued carry permits has grown is an opportunity simply by saying CNN/CBS/WaPo says that we're at one of the lowest murder rates in 45 years and yet sales of AR-15s skyrocketed since the '90s and almost every state now has to issue carry permits to law abiding citizens who apply for them and more and more people have applied for them.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/donald-trump-murder-rate-fact-check/

The reality is that the US murder rate in 2015, the latest full year available, was lower than it was 45 years prior.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-repeats-backwards-claim-about-murder-rates/

The fact is, the murder rate is close to the 57-year low it hit in 2014, before ticking up a bit in 2015, the most recent year of data available.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ate-to-sheriffs-group/?utm_term=.f056b7e382d6

The country’s murder rate is not the highest it’s been in 47 years. It is almost at its lowest point, actually, according to the FBI, which gathers statistics every year from police departments around the country.

 

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I think those living in Chicago and Baltimore would probably agree with Trump.
I've tried to explain the correlation of high crime in gun restrictive areas vs those with liberal gun laws.
It doesn't take a lot of statistics above a murder or more a day in those two cities to show the folly of gun control.

 

[hso]

That would be great f it weren't so easy to challenge with Indianapolis and the Chicago level homicide rate there.

Best to present Antis with the poverty correlation with homicide rates instead since they can't counter it and it falls right into their belief system reinforcing this argument.

 

[RPRNY]

Logic has no place in the alt-left world. While condemning Trump's "alternative facts" about the crime rate, they will counter the low murder rate vs high gun ownership with cherry-picked international data designed to show high rates of gun death in the US.

They will never reach the conclusion that more guns = safer.

 

[Sam1911]

I've tried to explain the correlation of high crime in gun restrictive areas vs those with liberal gun laws.
It doesn't take a lot of statistics above a murder or more a day in those two cities to show the folly of gun control.

As hso pointed out, one can cherry-pick which data they're looking at to prove either side of the case, but the truth is, gun control and violent crime don't seem to have a lot of effect on one another in the broader measure.

Logic has no place in the alt-left world. While condemning Trump's "alternative facts" abiutbthe crime rate...

Just as we often do in other areas. That doesn't make for a rebuttal of these facts or make them not useful to us. I saw one of the pieces on some morning TV show where they pointed out how we're in a "40-year low" and I was struck just as hso was. Surprised to finally hear big media saying this -- even though of course they're saying it because they're "catching" Trump at a mis-step -- and thinking how nice it will be to point at that when we come back to talking about gun bans and how the nation's in some crisis and we have to do something for the children.

 

[hso]

Or crime stats could have been tweaked like labor statistics or health care and virtually any other fake statistics.
I won't dig into every community in the nation but many of the ones I've paid attention to are claiming increased crime rates so I've become skeptical.
Be interested in hearing what other members are seeing in their home counties, I'll see if I can find it but the last report showed mine increased.

Anecdotes aren't data and won't do us any good against Antis. There is great value in data from before this year because Antis will have trouble claiming manipulation during the former administration. FBI UCR data is as objective as it gets and supports us, but having Anti media use it gives legitimacy to those Undecideds & Mildly Anti we want to reach anyway. We're never likely to win over devoted Antis, but the vast majority of the voters aren't this group. Reaching those that can be shown the truth is our goal to get more protection for the 2A.