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The anti's are financing, supporting and organizing these student demonstrations. They will continue for the foreseeable future unless we can muster some countermeasures.

‘No Amendment Is Absolute’: D.C. Student School Walkout Organizer Says We Must ‘Regulate the Second Amendment’:

The organizers from schools in the D.C., Virginia, and Maryland region collected letters demanding gun control from protesters addressed to legislators and registered voters via text.

But like the March for Our Lives protest last month and the first National School Walkout on March 14, the anti-gun walkout protest is being pushed and funded by Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety, which spawned the Students Demand Action group that participated on Friday.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...r-says-we-must-regulate-the-second-amendment/
 
And just what does anyone here think how loud the anti`s would squeal if all of the gun owners wanted to regulate the First amendment like they regulate the Second. How about having to fill out a 4473 to exercise your first amendment right, After all no amendment is absolute.

Word processor`s and laser printers would become the new assault weapons .
 
And just what does anyone here think how loud the anti`s would squeal if all of the gun owners wanted to regulate the First amendment like they regulate the Second. How about having to fill out a 4473 to exercise your first amendment right, After all no amendment is absolute.

Word processor`s and laser printers would become the new assault weapons .
They do
They think their words won’t be regulated but they want words they don’t agree with regulated. I’ve tried to have civil discussions with them ,but they’re so self absorbed they aren’t open to views other than their own.

So the attack isn’t just on the second it’s on the first too. And talk supporting the second is a big target as we’re seeing.

After having my classroom shot up, the college I taught at didn’t want to hear what I had to say as it wasn’t their anti gun BS. I was not allowed to attend meetings, and didn’t have my contract renewed. I guess saving the lives of three students ruined their road to fame.

Anyway, I’m very vocal as I feel we need to fight and fight hard. We’re too nice. Yes we need to be civil. But when our own bicker with us and don’t see it’s a problem we have a long hard road to stop the lost ground we gave up this year.
 
The First is safe only as long the Second exists, but the more shortsighted of the anti's don't see that- the ones that do are in two categories: 1.) They are too invested in their hatred of guns (which is in and of itself merely self hate for the fears of what THEY would do if they had guns, because they cannot control their emotions) to say anything about it and appear to be morally inconsistent, OR, 2.) They know exactly what the implications are, and this is part of their endgame.
 
Support for gun control is on the wane again, after the uptick following the Parkland shooting. Right now the antis are trying desperately to keep themselves in the news. Further antigun demonstrations will have diminishing returns, unless there's another massive tragedy.
 
I guess I don't really understand this walk-out business by school students. If I have a business or utility & the employees walk out, the financial loss or lack of service pressure is intended to force a reaction. Kids walking out of school, who cares? It's the parent's problem. It's the kid's graduation problem. Its like holding yourself for ransom. DUH....
 
Unfortunately people are always seeking simplistic solutions to their fears, and students that are terrified of being in the next school shooting have grabbed onto the concept of banning guns as some type of magic answer that is quick, easy and will not inconvenience them personally. Trying to explain that such laws would do little to reduce the availability of firearms to someone intent on mass murder just makes them uneasy. They WANT to believe that another law will work when all the previous laws have failed. They also don't want the inconveniences of having only clear plastic backpacks, of having armed security at the schools, let alone metal detectors and pat downs every time they enter the school. And of course, as most of us here understand, they are being manipulated by others for a larger political agenda. The Left sees this issue as one that could give them control of Congress in November and so any and all aid to these "marches" is being given, with the goal of getting out the anti-Republican vote.

It would be heartening, and very valuable politically, if we on the pro-2A side could generate the kind of crowds that the anti-gun side has been able to do. But in truth, it seems the average American is apathetic on this issue, with only a small minority that would even take the time to show up for a local pro-gun "march". When you consider that the NRA is generally seen as the most effective organization on the side of the pro-2A argument, and that the anti-2A side has portrayed the NRA as the ultimate evil, and yet only 5 million of the estimated 100 million gun owners are actual NRA members. If the average gun owner was not so apathetic and lazy, maybe we would have 20 or 30 or 40 million members and then we would not even need a "march" to more fully get the attention of politicians and voters alike.

Part of our problem on this issue is that we do not claim to have a simple and clear solution to violence in our society, let alone the specific violence of a deranged or alienated individual who chooses to go out in a blaze of violence by shooting up a school. Our solutions of teaching basic gun safety to all children, of having better means of identifying the mentally ill in an attempt to deny them access to firearms, to spend the money to harder the schools as potential targets just doesn't have the simplicity of saying that if we just ban the scary looking rifles we will be safe. Of course we understand that if all AR style rifles were banned, and even if all such were confiscated, school violence would continue. Then the anti-2A side would demand further bans and more draconian laws in their never ending but failing hope to outlaw evil and violence. Just look at the UK. Guns of all types are virtually prohibited to everyone, yet violence continues. Now there are knife restrictions, and I'm sure that some in the U.K. are trying to devise rules that would make it harder to buy acid since acid attacks are on the rise. Even the concept of self defense is essentially an illegal act in the U.K. and yet they are still not safe. A rational people would say that all of this is not working, so maybe we need to empower people to defend themselves and to have the means of such defense legally, but people, whether in the U.K. or here, are not rational, they are emotion driven.

I don't know what the solution is. My own discussions with some of my grandchildren who have been part of these anti gun "marches" seems to fall on deaf ears, since the media and their school leaders are telling them that they are on the right path with their demands for gun control. Maybe the best we can do is to try to get fellow gun owners, and any citizens that value the rights enumerated in our Constitution to vote for candidates that will support the 2nd Amendment.
 
I walked out a couple times myself in High School, typically right after getting off the bus and heading to my buddy's car in the morning. ;)

Didn't realize at the time what a bold political statement I was making. Boy how profound and BRAVE I was! What an inspiration!

:barf:
 
Yes, how long do you think the 'liberal media' will last after the Second is gone? Study history. What do you think George Orwell was warning us about in 1984? Unfortunately, some took that novel as a how to manual on controlling the populace, but first they'd have to eliminate the possibility of armed resistance.
 
I have the impression that any openly 2A supportive students are already being ridiculed and alienated from the majority of the student population in many schools.
 
And just what does anyone here think how loud the anti`s would squeal if all of the gun owners wanted to regulate the First amendment like they regulate the Second. How about having to fill out a 4473 to exercise your first amendment right, After all no amendment is absolute.

Word processor`s and laser printers would become the new assault weapons .

If "the pen is mightier than the sword," surely the internetz is mightier than the M4orgery. :cool:
 
What is the problem in theory? Folks have the right to organize to present their opinions about social issues and the law. Folks can spend money to support such.

Countermeasures - have the position you support presented well and rationally. Have a demonstration or march if you can organization. Collect donations or contributions from rich people.

Vote in elections and don't get fooled by politicians who say they support you and then don't. Hold the organizations' that supposedly represented you feet to the fire and demand (for your money) effective strategies for opinion change.

Just whining that the antis have better PR strategies and someone who doesn't like guns is paying for them is useless.

Organized attack - so what - that's politics. Campaigns are organized. Want a law, organize. Want a law abolished, organize. Want funding for your organization, go get it from whomever will support you legally.

There were and are organized attacks on myriad social issues. What else is new?
 
What is the problem in theory? Folks have the right to organize to present their opinions about social issues and the law. Folks can spend money to support such.

Countermeasures - have the position you support presented well and rationally. Have a demonstration or march if you can organization. Collect donations or contributions from rich people.

Vote in elections and don't get fooled by politicians who say they support you and then don't. Hold the organizations' that supposedly represented you feet to the fire and demand (for your money) effective strategies for opinion change.

Just whining that the antis have better PR strategies and someone who doesn't like guns is paying for them is useless.

Organized attack - so what - that's politics. Campaigns are organized. Want a law, organize. Want a law abolished, organize. Want funding for your organization, go get it from whomever will support you legally.

There were and are organized attacks on myriad social issues. What else is new?

The problem is when the “resistance”is being led by foreign Billionaires and others who are working to destroy us.
If you think these “student led” protests weren’t funded by Soros and Bloomberg I have some beautiful beach property in West Virginia to sell you at Hawaiian prices.
 
The problem is when the “resistance”is being led by foreign Billionaires and others who are working to destroy us.
If you think these “student led” protests weren’t funded by Soros and Bloomberg I have some beautiful beach property in West Virginia to sell you at Hawaiian prices.

Soros and Bloomberg are American citizens. You also miss the point about funding. American citizens can fund whomever they want. If you have some hidden view of their citizenship - I caution you not to go there. Would you object if the Koch brothers (to pick another rich set of folks) shipped 10,000 progun students to DC to march in front of the White House or SCOTUS?
 
Nothing new here, what is your game plan to fight back?

I’m not sure what to do.
I’ve tried getting people engaged.
I tried to get the NRA to talk to me as I’ve been in a classroom shooting and was off campus during the Va Tech one. So I’ve been associated with two.

The other side is well funded and organized. We can’t even agree amongst ourselves how to get together to figure out a plan of attack and our largest group won’t return phone calls to those of us willing to volunteer time.
 
Soros and Bloomberg are American citizens. You also miss the point about funding. American citizens can fund whomever they want. If you have some hidden view of their citizenship - I caution you not to go there. Would you object if the Koch brothers (to pick another rich set of folks) shipped 10,000 progun students to DC to march in front of the White House or SCOTUS?

I didn’t think Soros was a US Citizen.
And yes I have issues with ANYONE using CHILDREN as puppets for their causes. And by that I mean anyone under 18.
 
The problem is when the “resistance”is being led by foreign Billionaires and others who are working to destroy us.

If you think these “student led” protests weren’t funded by Soros and Bloomberg I have some beautiful beach property in West Virginia to sell you at Hawaiian prices.

The problem is this sort of wrongheaded rhetoric – it’s unfounded and conspiratorial, reflecting poorly on gunowners.

Attempts to vilify the students is a mistake as well.
 
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While a major organization may not come knocking on your door, the NRA has local friends chapters. Here's Virginia: https://www.friendsofnra.org/eventtickets/Events/Index/48

Also check out the VCDL - https://www.vcdl.org/ While I don't know them personally, a friend of mine does and says they are good people. It is easier to get started as an effective activist at the local level. I've worked with the TSRA and that has been a pleasant experience.

Everybody can't start as King.
 
Attempts to vilify the students is a mistake as well.
I haven’t seen anyone vilify the students
But I have heard others say what I did, which is they’re being used as pawns. Aka what Marx called “useful idiots”

They haven’t been taught history, they’ve been brainwashed that guns are bad, that fighting to defend yourself is wrong. Etc etc
 
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