Yowza
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That is either the biggest BS story I have ever heard, or the stupidest SWAT officer on the planet.
Rick
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(PA) Gun 'flew' from cop's hand
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richyoung
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...another example for the "why don't you trust LEOs" threads - look what they do toe each other! Imagine some poor "civillian" that crosses them.
Hm -- the possibilities seem to range from gross negligence all the way up to murder one.
yeah, those evil weapons are always going off in police staions on their own like that. I think we should ban all guns in police stations, make everyone much safer that way.
yeah, those evil weapons are always going off in police staions on their own like that. I think we should ban all guns in police stations, make everyone much safer that way.
Lots of wierdness in that story -
- HK USP is a revolver?
- banging the loaded Heckler & Koch USP 40 against his leg
- Renninger then found Sollman in the 7-foot by 10-foot room where officers routinely go to clean their weapons following training. I thought that he was cleaning his pistol? While he was cleaning his pistol he had a question so went into the room where cops clean their pistols?
- nor heard any conversation between Renninger and Sollman.
TallPine
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I'll have to remember this one ....
I was cleaning my gun when the deceased broke down my front door and came into my house. I was so surprised that I dropped my gun and when I tried to catch it, it just went off. Unfortunately, the bullet struck the poor disadvantaged deceased person who was only here to rape my wife.
Suggestions, ET ...?
I was cleaning my gun when the deceased broke down my front door and came into my house. I was so surprised that I dropped my gun and when I tried to catch it, it just went off. Unfortunately, the bullet struck the poor disadvantaged deceased person who was only here to rape my wife.
Suggestions, ET ...?
I've seen press releases from more than one PD or city that refer to semi-auto's as "The officer's service revolver." The PD's didn't change their boiler plate terminology when they switched to semi-auto's. Don't be too hard on the reporter, he probably is repeating what the PD said.
I e-mailed the reporter with the correction on the "service revolver" thing. He thanked me and replied that he'd already been corrected on that and that it was important to get the details right.
He asked if I had any other opinions so I shared my thoughts and gave him the link to this thread.
If he shows up here, everyone play nice, OK? He seems like a nice guy.
He asked if I had any other opinions so I shared my thoughts and gave him the link to this thread.
If he shows up here, everyone play nice, OK? He seems like a nice guy.
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_3mitmanmay25,0,6200674.story?coll=all-newslocal-hed
Consultants to study Easton SWAT team
Safety review comes 2 months after officer killed in police station.
By Tracy Jordan
Of The Morning Call
Two months after the fatal shooting of Easton police officer Jesse Sollman, the city announced it has hired law enforcement consultants to revamp the department's firearms safety policies and to determine whether to disband the special weapons and tactics team.
The city two weeks ago retained Emanuel Kapelsohn, a nationally recognized firearms expert and consultant who practices law with Blank, Rome, Comisky and McCauley in Allentown.
Kapelsohn and a SWAT team expert from the Chattanooga, Tenn., Police Department will determine whether the SWAT team should be put back on active duty and recommend safer firearm procedures.
The SWAT team has not been used since Sollman was shot March 25 in the police station, reportedly by another officer whose weapon accidentally discharged.
State police and the state attorney general's office are investigating the shooting, but they have released no details about how it occurred.
Police Chief Stephen A. Mazzeo said it will be up to the administration to determine when and if the SWAT team is reactivated.
Sollman and the other officer were members of the SWAT team, and the shooting occurred after they returned from a training exercise, according to family members.
Mayor Phil Mitman and Mazzeo held a joint news conference Tuesday to talk about how Kapelsohn's hiring fits into the administration's long-term strategy of obtaining accreditation through the Pennsylvania Chiefs of Police Association.
The city began working on the accreditation process in November to reduce the city's liability in civil rights lawsuits, which have cost millions of dollars to settle allegations of abuse by police officers
All of the lawsuits the city settled were for incidents that occurred before Mitman took office in January 2004, but Sollman's widow has hired John P. Karoly, the lawyer responsible for recently settling former wrestling star Jack Cuvo Jr.'s police brutality suit against the city for $2.5 million.
Implementing Kapelsohn's recommendations should provide some protection against lawsuits because he's considered an expert, Mitman said.
''It's a proactive position on our part that we want higher professional advice than we've ever needed before in the department,'' Mitman said. ''It is about the Sollman case, but it's also about the entire department and improving.''
Mitman said attending settlement conferences such as the one for Cuvo, of Palmer Township, made him realize the serious need to revamp the department's policies.
''I knew coming in here there were deficiencies within the department, that there had not been enough attention paid to important matters,'' Mitman said. ''That's common knowledge. But there are no quick fixes.''
Mazzeo issued a memo May 19 reminding officers not to load or unload their weapons anywhere in the police station except in one of three bullet traps.
The devices safely capture bullets if a weapon accidentally discharges while being loaded or unloaded.
Family members said Sollman was accidentally shot in the back in the hallway near the second-floor armory where one of the bullet traps has been in place since another officer accidentally discharged a firearm in 2001. That incident did not result in injury.
On Kapelsohn's advice, the city intends to start building more safe-handling areas for loading and unloading weapons in the police station and attached parking garage.
[email protected]
610-559-2148.
Consultants to study Easton SWAT team
Safety review comes 2 months after officer killed in police station.
By Tracy Jordan
Of The Morning Call
Two months after the fatal shooting of Easton police officer Jesse Sollman, the city announced it has hired law enforcement consultants to revamp the department's firearms safety policies and to determine whether to disband the special weapons and tactics team.
The city two weeks ago retained Emanuel Kapelsohn, a nationally recognized firearms expert and consultant who practices law with Blank, Rome, Comisky and McCauley in Allentown.
Kapelsohn and a SWAT team expert from the Chattanooga, Tenn., Police Department will determine whether the SWAT team should be put back on active duty and recommend safer firearm procedures.
The SWAT team has not been used since Sollman was shot March 25 in the police station, reportedly by another officer whose weapon accidentally discharged.
State police and the state attorney general's office are investigating the shooting, but they have released no details about how it occurred.
Police Chief Stephen A. Mazzeo said it will be up to the administration to determine when and if the SWAT team is reactivated.
Sollman and the other officer were members of the SWAT team, and the shooting occurred after they returned from a training exercise, according to family members.
Mayor Phil Mitman and Mazzeo held a joint news conference Tuesday to talk about how Kapelsohn's hiring fits into the administration's long-term strategy of obtaining accreditation through the Pennsylvania Chiefs of Police Association.
The city began working on the accreditation process in November to reduce the city's liability in civil rights lawsuits, which have cost millions of dollars to settle allegations of abuse by police officers
All of the lawsuits the city settled were for incidents that occurred before Mitman took office in January 2004, but Sollman's widow has hired John P. Karoly, the lawyer responsible for recently settling former wrestling star Jack Cuvo Jr.'s police brutality suit against the city for $2.5 million.
Implementing Kapelsohn's recommendations should provide some protection against lawsuits because he's considered an expert, Mitman said.
''It's a proactive position on our part that we want higher professional advice than we've ever needed before in the department,'' Mitman said. ''It is about the Sollman case, but it's also about the entire department and improving.''
Mitman said attending settlement conferences such as the one for Cuvo, of Palmer Township, made him realize the serious need to revamp the department's policies.
''I knew coming in here there were deficiencies within the department, that there had not been enough attention paid to important matters,'' Mitman said. ''That's common knowledge. But there are no quick fixes.''
Mazzeo issued a memo May 19 reminding officers not to load or unload their weapons anywhere in the police station except in one of three bullet traps.
The devices safely capture bullets if a weapon accidentally discharges while being loaded or unloaded.
Family members said Sollman was accidentally shot in the back in the hallway near the second-floor armory where one of the bullet traps has been in place since another officer accidentally discharged a firearm in 2001. That incident did not result in injury.
On Kapelsohn's advice, the city intends to start building more safe-handling areas for loading and unloading weapons in the police station and attached parking garage.
[email protected]
610-559-2148.
duckslayer
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When I drop something, I have a natural reaction to try to catch it. I don't think about catching it, I just do it automatically. One has to train themselves not to try to catch a firearm that they drop. I have dropped and caught a gun before, but since it was in a proper holster, I didn't/couldn't fire it (notice I didn't say "it didn't go off"). I can't quite believe this guys story.
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