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(PA) Taking a shot at buying a gun (typical media bias...)

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Taking a shot at buying a gun

By John Grogan
Inquirer Columnist

"I want to buy a shotgun," I said.

The young man at the Wal-Mart sporting-goods counter didn't miss a beat. "What did you have in mind?" he asked, unlocking the gun case.

His name was Bob and he sported bleached hair and baggy, low-slung pants. I asked to see the cheapest shotgun he had. Bob pulled out a single-shot, 20-gauge New England brand with a price tag of $85.

Such a deal. I had come prepared to spend a few hundred.

Bob placed it in my hands. I didn't try to hide my ignorance. "How do you load this thing?" I asked.

He showed me how to break open the barrel, slide in a shell, click it shut. "Then you're set to go," Bob said.

I had come to this Wal-Mart near Quakertown, in Upper Bucks County, as a customer to see just how easy - and fast - it was to buy a weapon.

What brought me here was the suicide of Richard Lee of Willow Grove.

On Feb. 2, police say, Lee, 25, walked into a Wal-Mart in Horsham and, after passing an instant background check, bought a 20-gauge shotgun. He then drove to a Wal-Mart in Warminster, where he bought shells.

From there, he drove directly to Cavalier Telephone in Warminster, which had laid him off, and began firing. The final round, police say, was for himself.

Blessedly, no one was present for the Sunday night rampage, and Lee was the only casualty. But it doesn't take much imagination to picture what could have been had he arrived during work hours.

No hard questions

And so on Friday I went to Wal-Mart to experience firsthand the safeguards that failed to save Richard Lee from himself. I sighted briefly down the barrel, then said, "OK, I'll take it." I had been at the counter for four minutes.

I was waiting for Bob to grill me about my inexperience and motives for wanting a cheap gun. Had I completed a gun-safety course? Did I have any practice handling firearms?

Instead he asked me for two pieces of identification and gave me a federal form that asked a series of yes/no questions intended to root out the unstable and criminally inclined.

Had I ever been convicted of a felony? Ever been the subject of a restraining order? Any history of domestic abuse? Mental illness? Drunken driving? Drug addiction?

If I had evil intent, did they really expect me to answer truthfully?

I handed Bob $2 for the background check and he phoned in my information to the state police's Pennsylvania Instant Check database.

Ten minutes later, he returned with a box and packed my shotgun into it.

"Does this mean I passed?" I asked.

"Yep. No problem," Bob said.

I asked if I could buy shells for the shotgun, too. Bob apologized and said store policy did not allow that.

We wouldn't want people to start shooting until they were safely out of the store now, would we? If the ammunition restriction was meant as a deterrent, it wasn't much of one. There was a Kmart across the street that sold ammunition.

On second thought

Bob rang up my sale, and I reached for my credit card. Once I paid, I was free to walk out with my new weapon.

But I didn't really want this weapon, and at Wal-Mart, as with other gun shops I checked, all gun sales are final. No returns; no exchanges.

And so at the last second, with apologies to Bob for wasting his time, I pulled the plug on my little experiment and walked out of the store empty-handed. The entire process had taken 27 minutes.

Just for kicks, I drove across Route 309, walked into Kmart and bought a box of 25 Winchester Super-X game-load shells for $3.79. No ID required; no questions asked.

On the way home, I wasn't feeling particularly homicidal or suicidal or deranged. But had I been - and had I not aborted my shotgun sale at the last moment - I would have been, in Bob's words, "set to go."

I later checked with the state police in Harrisburg, who confirmed that Bob had properly done everything the law asks of him. Pennsylvania requires no gun-safety training. No proof of competence. No cooling-off period. Not even an overnight delay. Just 27 minutes and two forms of ID.

That wasn't enough to stop Richard Lee. And it won't be enough to stop the next Richard Lee, either.


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John Grogan writes Monday, Tuesday and Friday. Contact him at 610-313-8132 or [email protected].

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/2003/02/11/news/local/5151616.htm
 
I hate liberal reporters who have no clue...

On the way home, I wasn't feeling particularly homicidal or suicidal or deranged. But had I been - and had I not aborted my shotgun sale at the last moment - I would have been, in Bob's words, "set to go."

A single-barreled shotgun doesn't make you "set to go"...get a semi-auto and then you're "set to go".

:what:

The experiment that I've always wanted to do...

Go to Wal-Mart and go to the clothing department and pick out gloves and a ski mask. Go to hardware and get a hacksaw. Go to the gun counter with those things and put them on the counter in plain sight. THEN ask the clerk if you could see the shotguns...

Would the Wal-Mart clerk even notice the other items and make a connection? Don't know, but I do know that if I ever try it, I'll make sure and do it in my home town where I know several of the LEOs. I might be inconvenienced otherwise.
 
And the interrogation/background check that would have prevented Bob Lee from buying the a) hose for auto exhaust pipe b) rope c) kitchen knife d) shoes to walk to edge of bridge, etc., etc.? How exhaustive should those have been?

:rolleyes:
 
There was nothing wrong with what happened to this so-called reporter at Walmart. In fact, I *wish* it would happen at my local Walmart (Nassau County Walmarts do not sell firearms - I am working on it :))

It tears these tree-hugging, nanny-state-loving liberals up inside to know that the system works, and at the same time, cannot prevent the crimally stupid from doing something to harm themselves.

Would it make things better if they changed the 4473 (again!) to ask "Are you purchasing this weapon to commit a crime or kill yourself?" Probably not, since killing yourself is not a crime, and most criminals don't bother with going to the local gun store to purchase their wares.

Idiots...

MJ
 
This weenie again.

His ridiculous column is also running on another THR thread.
 
John Grogan’s Next Article

John Grogan | Taking a shot at reproduction
By John Grogan
Inquirer Columnist

"I want to buy a condom," I said.

The young man at the Wal-Mart pharmacy counter didn't miss a beat. "What did you have in mind?" he asked, unlocking the condom case.

His name was Bob and he sported bleached hair and baggy, low-slung pants. I asked to see the cheapest condoms he had. Bob pulled out a single-shot, Indonesian made brand relabeled “Made in America†with a price tag of $2.50

Such a deal. I had come prepared to spend a few more bucks, big spender that I am.

Bob placed them in my hands. I didn't try to hide my ignorance. "How do you load these things?" I asked.

He showed me how to break open the package, and demonstrated with his finger. "There, you're set to go," Bob said. Now I only had eleven left.

I had come to this Wal-Mart near Quakertown, in Upper Bucks County, as a customer to see just how easy - and fast - it was to buy a cheap condom. In the newsroom we call them “Saturday Night Specials†though none of us aging Boomers really knows why.

What brought me here was the murder of Richard Babee, age 2, of Willow Grove.

According to paternity records, police say Richard’s father, Mark Babee, 25, had sex out of wedlock but his cheap Wal-Mart condom failed and he sired Richard. Last week, after what police say was increasingly violent abuse, Mark kicked baby Richard so hard in the abdomen he killed him.

From there, he drove directly to a local construction site near where he worked as an assembler of circuit boards and burned the boy’s body.

Unfortunately, no one was present to save Richard, and fortunately he was the only casualty. But it doesn't take much imagination to picture what could have been had Mark needed governmental permission to have intimate relations.

No hard questions.

And so on Friday I went to Wal-Mart to experience firsthand the safeguards that failed to save Richard from his infanticidal father. I sighted briefly down the unrolled condom on my finger, then said, "OK, I'll take 'em." I had been at the counter for four minutes.

I was waiting for Bob to grill me about my inexperience and motives for wanting a cheap condom. Had I completed a sexual education course? Did I have any practice handling women? What if I had a baby I couldn't deal with?

Instead he asked me for two pieces of identification for the check I was writing and I took possession.

I then went to the County Clerk’s office. “I’d like to get married and have a child,†I said. “You don’t have to get married in this state to have a child.†Mary said.

I fully expected some harder questioning. Had I ever been convicted of a felony? Ever been the subject of a restraining order? Any history of domestic abuse? Mental illness? Drunken driving? Drug addiction?

If I had evil intent, did they really expect me to answer truthfully?

Instead, the clerk told me that a marriage license was $35.00. I was incredulous, "Does this mean I passed?" I asked.

"What, are you an idiot?†Mary said, “this isn’t an exam.â€

I asked if I could just rent a hooker as my bride and have her sign the license. Mary rolled her eyes and said as long as she passed the blood test anything goes.

“We don’t have any interest in the character of your lucky bride, why would we?†If this lack of interest in my intentions should I become a father to an abused child was meant as a deterrent, it wasn't much of one. There was a hooker across the street that sold her wares.

On second thought. . . .

Mary rang up my sale, and I reached for my credit card. Once I paid, I was free to walk out with my new license to procreate.

But I didn't really want this license, and at the County Offices, as with other governmental services I checked, all license sales are final. No returns; no exchanges.

And so at the last second, with apologies to Mary for wasting her time, I pulled the plug on my little experiment and walked out of the office empty-handed. The entire process had taken 27 minutes. All I had to show for it was some unregistered condoms.

Just for kicks, I drove across Route 309, walked into Kmart and bought a box of 25 more condoms for $3.79. No ID required; no questions asked. Again, an odd number seeing how I only have ten fingers and ten toes.

On the way home, I wasn't feeling particularly homicidal or suicidal or deranged. But had I been - and had I not aborted my fatherhood drive at the last moment - I would have been, in Bob's words, "set to go."

I later checked with the state police in Harrisburg, who confirmed that Bob and Mary had properly done everything the law asks of them. Pennsylvania requires no training or permission to have a child. No proof of competence. No cooling-off period. Not even an overnight delay. Just 27 minutes, two forms of ID for a check, a leaky condom, some of that Viagra I have heard about, and a willing partner, (admittedly the most difficult prerequisite for this reporter).

That wasn't enough to stop Mark Babee. And it won't be enough to stop the next Mark Babee, either. Now all I need is to get a date for the first time in 20 years and use this condom on my finger.
 
Ouch, Pepsi coming out the nose hurts.

Boats, I hope that you sent it to the moron. If you did let us know if he ever responds.

Greg
 
I later checked with the state police in Harrisburg, who confirmed that Bob had properly done everything the law asks of him. Pennsylvania requires no gun-safety training. No proof of competence. No cooling-off period. Not even an overnight delay. Just 27 minutes and two forms of ID.

That wasn't enough to stop Richard Lee. And it won't be enough to stop the next Richard Lee, either.
The Long Island Railway shooter bought his firearm in CA several months before he went on his rampage.

California, at that time, had a fifteen day "cooling off" period.

B&B Guns, where the firearm was purchased, also adds one day to the required waiting period.

So, this idiot waited sixteen days to take possession of the firearm; and he then waited another six months before he went on that train and started killing White people.

He was not charged for a "hate crime".

The survivors disarmed him when he went to reload a third time using the only arms they are allowed to bear in NYC; the ones that are attached to their shoulders.
 
"If I had evil intent, did they really expect me to answer truthfully?"

Hmmm. Maybe we need to change the 4473's.

Clerk: "What's your occupation?"

"I'm a reporter."

Clerk: "Denied."
 
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