It can also involve you in the "interesting activity" you are trying to document. I see it as equivalent to involving yourself into a domestic or other conflict you have no business involving yourself in.
Pack heat folks... and be aware of your surroundings.
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It can also involve you in the "interesting activity" you are trying to document. I see it as equivalent to involving yourself into a domestic or other conflict you have no business involving yourself in.
Not sure, I had it in my hand, we were driving by, and I suppose I had planned documenting my trip anyway.
EMS was already there, but, no cops. I found that odd. A bunch of people on the street, I didn't know what was happening other than something not being right.
The Canadian fella in the comments talked about being more interested in rendering aid and so on, and that's good. I'd never intended to pull a phone out and record in an emergency, in fact I have a 911 life saver award to my credit for risking my life to help a family in need, I've prevented a rape, and a group beating of some black guy outside a bar, so...im not out to gawk. I'm more of a sheep dog than that. I became an EMT later so I could help more.
Anyway, my phone happened to be out, not too uncommon when you are a passenger on a long drive.
Well, I get your point. But I disagree. Had I followed up with law enforcement with my evidence those guys would have been identified and charged. And there was a reason for the ambulance to begin with, which I realized later is why they wanted my phone.
At any rate, allot happened, it was chaotic, and I had no idea what I had got myself into.
What became obvious, was my skin color was not of the right shade to be were I was, and I was on the wrong place and at the wrong time. I could have been making a phone call and they may have saw it and assumed I wad trying to record them. Either way, it sucked lol.
This didn't transpire over a period of minutes, this all went down in seconds. Things escalated very very rapidly, there was no warning.
It was night time btw. I was just figuring out what was unfolding.
I basically walked into a tense situation that was already happening, and still ongoing.
Lots of action, and that's why I began recording.
Keep in mind, we were only attempting to get thru. Not run around like a self deputized leo.
It was night time btw. I was just figuring out what was unfolding.
I basically walked into a tense situation that was already happening, and still ongoing.
Lots of action, and that's why I began recording.
Keep in mind, we were only attempting to get thru. Not run around like a self deputized leo.
In my mind when I'd imagine scenarios unfolding that I would be there from start to finish, what I didn't plan for or think about was being late to the party, basically just meandering into a active crime scene wasn't what I thought would ever happen. It seems silly now, but now I know. I could walk around a corner and witness what appears to be a rape with a guy on top, and think I'm justified in shooting him, but find out after that her clothes ripped during a struggle over a knife that she might have pulled on him...you just never know. Think first, shoot later , or dont shoot at all...what I can advocate for is having the option, and not using it.
But you didn't. Video recording of the event changed your status from witness to participant. You didn't even report the attack on yourself.
But you did pull it out and record it and I am assuming from the "Canadian fella in the comments" that you posted it on social media.
A self deputized photo journalist maybe?
Cell phone video is part of our culture now. Here in ST&T we often use video to learn from other's experiences. But as you found out, and fortunately it wasn't a really hard lesson, many people are going to react poorly if they see you videoing their actions. Especially if they are engaged in criminal activity. You have to weigh if the FaceBook "likes" or the YouTube, Twitter or Instagram hits are worth serious injury or worse before you pull your phone out and start recording.
The proliferation of cell phone video is changing the dynamics of many things in our society. Light has been used as a force multiplier in law enforcement for decades. Yet now it's a cause in an ACLU lawsuit against the police in St Louis because it was used during the riots in the last couple weeks to help push the crowds back. The ACLU says that it's being used to thwart video recording. I was using light on traffic stops back in the days where everyone carrying video recording capabilities in their pocket was science fiction. We've seen a return to criminals wearing masks in an attempt to be anonymous on video.
If you are going to video record someone's conflict you should do it unobtrusively or from a position where you can't be reached, because as you found out, a lot of people don't want a video of their bad conduct out there.
Ok fella, had the phone out already, no never posted the video. And you aren't giving me any info I don't know or haven't already said.
Read my comments.
Why don't you give me some wisdom of actual situations you were involved in and survived. I'd love to hear them. Teach me, oh great assuming one.
I gave you the abbreviated version. And that isn't all that happened.just sharing a very real situation. You may be assuming I'm a kid. I'm not a kid. I've travelled the country, been in lots of really screwed up situations I don't feel the need to get into.
Please give me your wise nuggets, but don't tell me things I just said.
Please give me your wise nuggets, but don't tell me things I just said.
You don't know what happened to my phone, hahaha. You make allot of assumptions. And you think you know things you don't and can't know.
This is all food for thought. And I'm not presenting myself as an expert. I do have experience, very real things have happened around me. Take it with a grain of salt, just data.
Not out for attention here, just pointing out that anything can happen, and to be mentally prepared for possible combat is a really good idea, not paranoid, just prepared.
I carry something all the time now, even if it isn't a gun, a knife, a pen, something. I don't care, I just have a plan and a intent in the event some really crazy happens. Because it can, without notice, and because there may be little to no notice, to be prepared all the time. That's all I'm saying guys. Thanks for the comments and counter points/arguments. It's a good thing
Not out for attention here, just pointing out that anything can happen, and to be mentally prepared for possible combat is a really good idea, not paranoid, just prepared.
I carry something all the time now, even if it isn't a gun, a knife, a pen, something. I don't care, I just have a plan and a intent in the event some really crazy happens. Because it can, without notice, and because there may be little to no notice, to be prepared all the time. That's all I'm saying guys. Thanks for the comments and counter points/arguments. It's a good thing
As discussed in the link in Post #121, we do nt encourage posting comments of the "this happened to me" nature, for reasons explained therein.
Btw. That 911 life saver award given to be by st.louis county in MN was offered to me, and included me having to go and have it awarded in front of the news media, and the entire city I belonged to, I never attended that event, I didn't want the recognition, but they gave it to me anyway.
You who know nothing about me should ask for details, not make elaborate opinions on limited information.
You who know nothing about me should ask for details, not make elaborate opinions on limited information.
Oh, well I wasn't aware of that. My apologies
Feel free to delete my comments.
No problem.
We may all critique and be critiqued. What we must try to avoid is the creation of what may later become unfavorable evidence.
If you search through my posts you'll find more then a few references to my personal experience including a post in this thread.
We can only comment based on the information you provide us. If there is more to the story that would change things then you should tell us.
If1HitU
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Since I have gotten older,I make sure I know what's going on a round me. When i'm at a gas station people always want to come up close to you begging for change. I stop them before they get close to me,and if they keep coming closer I just put my hand on my gun in my pocket,that seem to get their attention even though they don't see the gun.
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Wait, what? You want to punish some crappy crook's family for his actions? You get that morality out of a crackerjack box or something? I'm all for punishing the creep who delivered the victim here a completely unfair, unjustifiable beating. But his wife? His kids? How the heck is that supposed to be justice? You mention at the end of your rant how a man is supposed to have certain standards... I'd suggest you consider extending those standards of yours to being a little bit charitable, as well as fair to the innocent. Can't see how a man's kids can be blamed for his crimes.
JR24
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For what its worth I have been on multiple grand jury cases with very similar attacks and "almost killed him" was unanimously agreed upon.
Granted the victims were female and the attacks were domestic, but I would rule the same in this case, myself.
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Here is a link updating the criminal case. The perpetrator was sentenced to 20 years. https://www.ksat.com/news/man-who-beat-stomped-robbed-victim-over-35-sentenced-to-prison
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