Pawn shop employee may have had me mess up 4473

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This took place in the state of Tennessee.


I went to a local pawn shop, looking for my first handgun, and found a new pistol at $209. Good deal for what it was. My license doesn't reflect my current address (though it's been updated online and I've since paid for a new one via mail). I explained this to the employee, providing additional documentation showing my current address. However, when he gave me access to the electronic 4473, he told me not to differentiate my address on the form from what was on my license. I haven't lived at the address on my license for about a year (though it isn't very far away from me). My transaction was denied and he asked if I'd like to appeal it. I said yes, (not thinking about the 4473 and how I should have probably read it closer) and he filled the appeal out for me and faxed it. When I obtained a copy of it, I noticed he put my mailing address as my actual current address, and on my current address, put the one on my license. I'm really trying to cover my a** here, as I don't want any problems with TBI, FBI, or ATF. What should I do in this situation? If anything?
 
Though some States, mine included, allow you to update your address online without getting a new card, it causes less headaches to just get the new card. You know know one.
 
I've come to understand that my address on the form was improper and incorrect. I understand that this is perjury. However, my question is moreso, is there anything I can do about the incorrect address on a fed. form, and will this cause me any issue regarding my appeal, considering my ID and the form do match.

Edit for clarification: this was the only part of my 4473 that reflects incorrect information. I just really don't want my wife's and my 2a rights revoked over an error on recommendation of a pawn employee
 
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It sounds like you made a mistake on the basis of poorly informed advice. I'd go update your DL, and wait to see if NICS figures it out on their own; with both your addresses in hand I'll bet an examiner could figure it out.
 
It sounds like you made a mistake on the basis of poorly informed advice. I'd go update your DL, and wait to see if NICS figures it out on their own; with both your addresses in hand I'll bet an examiner could figure it out.

I have updated my dl and purchased a new copy to be mailed to me. My assumption is, because I'm not a felon, or have any questionable charges, that I probably won't have any repercussions aside from denial to purchase. I just don't want the FBI or ATF busting down my door for a mistake on address. I really should have read that form closer, and feel like a ditz for not.

Edit: When you say that an examiner could probably figure it out. Do you mean the proper address and mistake? Do you think I'd just get denied on the appeal or am I in for some trouble here
 
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The appeal may fix it. The gov. computer system knows where you live.
The FBI & ATF have better things to do.

1980s- A felon from fla lied on the Pa. state and federal form. He added 1 letter to his last name. Took state almost 1 year to notice, back in the day before computers.
He got probation from state. ATF when notified, no reply, didnt care.

You should be fine. Minor paper/computer adjustment.
 
The appeal may fix it. The gov. computer system knows where you live.
The FBI & ATF have better things to do.

1980s- A felon from fla lied on the Pa. state and federal form. He added 1 letter to his last name. Took state almost 1 year to notice, back in the day before computers.
He got probation from state. ATF when notified, no reply, didnt care.

You should be fine. Minor paper/computer adjustment.

Thank you for the replies. This does make me feel a bit more comfortable, though I won't make that mistake again (won't even come up thanks to new dl). I figured an address error wasn't really worth the time. I expect the worst that'll come of this is my appeal gets denied and I have to go try again with proper addressing on my 4473. Even if I do get approved on the appeal, this was definitely a stressful event and I understand why Dealers are so particular about such things. Still a little shocked that the pawn employee would even have me do that on the 4473 but then put my current address for the mailing address on the appeal, and my DL address for the current physical address on the appeal.

Edit: just for the record, I did call the ATF about it (didn't give any personal info) and he definitely seemed uninterested in my issue. Basically said "not a problem. Any other questions?" I say no. He hangs up.
 
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I don't know what the law is in TN, but in TX you are required to keep your address current on licenses.

When you update online they do not issue a new card, as the address update is tied to the lic no. You can request a new card however
 
When you say that an examiner could probably figure it out. Do you mean the proper address and mistake?
Yes. I would expect an examiner at NICS to conclude that you copied your old address from your license (true) instead of your new address, note that your new address is documented, issue the approval, and move on.
 
Yes. I would expect an examiner at NICS to conclude that you copied your old address from your license (true) instead of your new address, note that your new address is documented, issue the approval, and move on.

Well that's a bit comforting. Gah, I hate I made this mistake. Suppose I won't be carrying an improperly addressed dl anymore. Hah.
 
A week and a half ago I went to Scheels. I wanted to buy three guns. As I started to fill out the electronic 4473 I realized the drivers license in my pocket had the address I use to live at. So I say Jeff (Sales Associate) my license has the wrong address and I drive over to the DMV and get it changed. GAF left the building and was back in a little less than an hour with an updated drivers license .

If I had not been able to change my address that day I would not have bought those guns that day.
 
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Putting an address on the 4473 where you don’t currently live is a federal felony. On a federal NICS background check, a wrong address can’t be the reason for a denial since the address is not part of the information the dealer submits for the background check. However, Tennessee is a point-of-contact state; the dealer contacts the state for a background check, then they contact NICS and also check their own records. So if the address is part of the state check, then it’s possible it was the reason, but I doubt it.
 
Sort of the same thing happened to my wife. On her DL they listed her maiden name as middle. When she was filling out the form she listed her correct name. The clerk told her to put her maiden name as middle..She said that's not my middle name and refused saying form says not to lie.
Left without buying.
Problem has since been corrected on DL but she refuses to go back to that store.
 
Sort of the same thing happened to my wife. On her DL they listed her maiden name as middle. When she was filling out the form she listed her correct name. The clerk told her to put her maiden name as middle..She said that's not my middle name and refused saying form says not to lie.
Left without buying.
Problem has since been corrected on DL but she refuses to go back to that store.
When an employee asks a customer to do this or tells the buyer "your info must match your ID" he needs to be reported to his manager. Whether its ignorance or purposeful its wrong and causes both customer and licensee to violate federal law.
 
I've come to understand that my address on the form was improper and incorrect. I understand that this is perjury. However, my question is moreso, is there anything I can do about the incorrect address on a fed. form, and will this cause me any issue regarding my appeal, considering my ID and the form do match.

Edit for clarification: this was the only part of my 4473 that reflects incorrect information. I just really don't want my wife's and my 2a rights revoked over an error on recommendation of a pawn employee

I cannot recommend any avenue of resolution for you, only my past experience.

I had been delayed one time when I filed a 4473, I questioned the FFL and he gave me a number to call.
I called and the reason was explained to me, end of story.
There maybe a number to call on line at the Nics/FFL/ATF website, I'd look there.
Know that they are slammed right now and way backed up.
jmo
 
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I have seen in some counties when you change your address DMV gives you a sticky tag to cover your old address on you license with your new address. I do not know if this is statewide.
 
I cannot recommend any avenue of resolution for you, only my past experience.

I had been delayed one time when I filed a 4473, I questioned the FFL and he gave me a number to call.
I called and the reason was explained to me, end of story.
While your state may do that, the FBI NICS is prohibited from giving out such information over the phone. (to you or the dealer)

There maybe a number to call on line at the Nics/FFL/ATF website, I'd look there.
1. While there are phone number to contact NICS, they aren't for the purposes you describe above.
2. ATF has nothing to do with the FBI background check or Brady Law.
3. FFL website? o_O
 
While your state may do that, the FBI NICS is prohibited from giving out such information over the phone. (to you or the dealer)


1. While there are phone number to contact NICS, they aren't for the purposes you describe above.
2. ATF has nothing to do with the FBI background check or Brady Law.
3. FFL website? o_O
Thanks for reading/responding to my post

While my suggestions of who to contact may be incorrect, me talking to NICS actually DID happen, but may have just been the FFL handing me the phone to talk to the person he was talking to.
A simple Bing search will produce a 5+page list of stuff to go thru, including this: https://www.atf.gov/contact
Where you'll see this...
Contact

image_of_people_in_call_center_000024193998.jpg
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives welcomes your questions, suggestions, compliments, and complaints as one critical way to continuously improve our services to you.

And there's this search relative to NICS:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=NICS website&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=nics website&sc=8-12&sk=&cvid=9997A26E95C24D4CA068CF622F657B93

EDIT: and this at the FBI site: "I Was Denied a Firearm—What Happens Now?"

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/n...inal-background-check-system-nics-appeals-vaf

Being pro-active is way more helpful than being a negative Nancy...
:D
 
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Thanks for reading/responding to my post

While my suggestions of who to contact may be incorrect, me talking to NICS actually DID happen, but may have just been the FFL handing me the phone to talk to the person he was talking to.
Since you don't show your state we have to assume you live in a state that contacts a state agency, not FBI NICS. Again, FBI NICS is prohibited by privacy laws from telling you or your dealer the reasons why you were delayed or denied over the phone.



A simple Bing search will produce a 5+page list of stuff to go thru, including this: https://www.atf.gov/contact
Where you'll see this...
Contact

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives welcomes your questions, suggestions, compliments, and complaints as one critical way to continuously improve our services to you.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the FBI NICS backgrpound check. You could call every phone# at ATF and guess what?..........they aren't the FBI.
Why on earth you would link to ATF contact info is bizarre to say the least. Pretty much EVERYONE knows how to Google "ATF".

Wow, I suppose you actually READ the information there? I did, eleven and a half years ago.

Being pro-active is way more helpful than being a negative Nancy..
You aren't being "pro active", but contributing to misinformation.....and that ain't helpful pal.;)
 
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