Pellet gun for tree rats?

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What are the minimum specs for a pellet gun for killing squirrels? Ranges would be "in the back yard" type distances (not more then 25 yards...most often like 25 feet)

I'd prefer a handgun (since I mostly shoot handguns it would be good practice when I can't get to the range as well).
 
Zund - I don't think most air pistols will cut it for power - unless very short range. So rifle - and hopefully something at top end of power range - all sorts of options there.

I will mention tho - Dave Markovitz did mention when I posted on a ''tree rat incident'' a while ago - that in some states a pellet gun is not permitted to be used for tree rats. The case in PA I believe ( so perhaps here I should use .308 and be done with it!! :D )

You may be Ok but worth checking.

OTOH depending where you are - who'd know! :p
 
If the range is going to be more than a few yards and you're set on using an air gun, I'd suggest a rifle rather than a pistol. The difference in power is substantial. Stay away from the CO2 models and pick up a pump.
 
At that range I think you might try the Crosman 1377. The advertised velocity is 600 fps. How honest that is I don't know. It's a pneumatic (pump) pistol. I heard that WWW.COMPASSECO.COM had factory refurbed ones for under $30.00. I just bought one from Midway for around $50.00. I just recently got so I haven't had time to try it out. From what I understand the are a ton of modifications you can do to 'em too.
 
When I was a kid a friend of mine had a Crossman 1377 (well, the .22 version). It would to through and through a full soda can at 10 yards, so it would probably be enough to kill a squirrel ... I also remember it being pretty accurate (especially with the little bolt on rifle stock).

As for the laws, I'm not sure if Colorado has any laws concerning the culling of tree rats, but I do live in town so shooting even an air gun is verboten (which is one reason why I wanted a pistol ... less likely to draw attention).
 
I bought my Sheridan 5 mm air rifle to kill pigeons in my plant in Georgia. Pellets would go through the pigeon and bounce off the corrugated steel roof - ideal! At 50-100 ft ranges it should do the same to squirrels.

I kind of enjoy the squirrels who raid my bird seed, so I use a Daisy single pump bb rifle (350 fps) to just give them a little sting. Ever see a squirrel jump from a tree for a fence rail and bang his chin on the rail, with 2 dogs nipping at his heels? I've educated a few . . . . :evil:
 
Squirrels are pretty tough. Although it's illegal to shoot squirrels with an airgun in TX, I've heard that you can kill them handily with most any* airgun you want as long as you can hit them reliably in the brain. ...worth noting that the brain is not the same thing as the head--in airgun hunting, accuracy and a knowledge of your target's anatomy is critical.

*Some CO2 and target pistols don't generate enough oomph to reliably penetrate the skull. The 1377 will (or so I've heard.)
 
I have heard from a "friend" that a Crossman .177 rifle will kill tree rats effectively, quietly and discreetly(!) This "friend" has killed dozens of them to keep them away from song birds and stop them from eating through the siding and fascia of my house. I mean, his house, not my house, I didn't mean to type that...
 
What would a minimum FPS be for hunting varmints (such as squirrels and such) with a 4,5 pellet (.177) rifle?
 
Since you're going to shoot them in the brain (right?), anything that will penetrate the skull will work.

I guess you could do a lung shot, which is reasonably humane, but then they might make it to the neighbor's yard and die there...

Seriously, accuracy is way more important than power (since airguns don't really have any power to speak of) when you're talking about airguns.

Ok, here's a mini-rant. I hate these questions about minimum power for killing this, minimum ft/lbs for this game, minimum caliber for killing that. I don't think it's a useful practice to try to reduce animals to numbers and then if the gun exceeds that animal's number, blaze away. The fact is that the most powerful airgun made can be used to wound a squirrel, while a match rifle (generally pretty anemic in the power department) can make a clean kill with shot placement. IMO, the answer to these questions is always very simple. If you have to ask, don't try shooting the animal with any airgun.

BUT, I realize that such questions come from a desire to be humane, and that I might be a bit oversensitive on the topic, so I'll try to answer as best I can.

Airguns do not kill with power, energy, momentum or shock. They kill by poking TINY little holes in critical parts of animals. If the little bitty holes aren't in the right place, the animals crawl away and suffer. If the little bitty holes are in exactly the right place, the animals die quickly and humanely.

To kill a squirrel with an airgun, you need to figure out how big the target is. NOT the squirrel, but the critical parts that need to be disrupted. The brain, or perhaps the heart/lungs. Then you need to figure out how far away you can CONSISTENTLY hit a target that size from the shooting position(s) you will be likely to use in the situation. You will need to learn how to visualize the specific targets from various angles that you are likely to view the animal.

Generally speaking, by the time a person has practiced enough to have any business using an airgun to hunt animals, they have a good idea of what kind of airgun they should be using. I've seen squirrels taken very cleanly at ranges up to 50 feet with a single shot from an airgun that didn't even make 3ft/lbs at the muzzle. I've also seen them wounded and lost after being shot multiple times with much more powerful airguns.

It is NOT a matter of energy or power. It is PURELY a matter of the skill and knowledge of the shooter.
 
Use a pointed pellet and at least 700 FPS. That eliminates CO2 and any handgun I've heard of. Single pump is much more convenient if follow-up shots are necessary. And they don't always perform to rated velocity - I clocked a new .177 Gamo Shadow 1000 last weekend at 895 FPS; it is supposed to push it out at 1,000. And they aren't as stealthy as you'd think. That "CRACK" is pretty loud if you're trying to hide it from the neighbors.
 
Pointed pellets tend to be less accurate than other designs. If you have a gun that likes them, they're ok, but I've not been able to tell that they penetrate significantly better than a domed (round-headed) pellet.

I know one person who hunts squirrels successfully with air guns and has never shot one with a rifle capable of 700fps. I have also seen one squirrel killed cleanly at around 15 yards with a single shot from a pellet pistol that was shooting about 400fps. If you hit them right, the amount of power doesn't make a lot of difference. If you don't hit them right, it makes less difference...
 
There's no doubt in my mind that pointed pellets penetrate better than rounded ones. I had a Crosman 760 that would not reliably dispatch squirrels until I started using them.

You certainly can kill them with less than 700 fps. But that gives you a little margin to deal with variables such as range, cover/foliage penetration, worn seals, etc. I've read some recommendations not to use anything less than 1000 fps.

I agree that marksmanship is the primary key.
 
I had a Crosman 760 that would not reliably dispatch squirrels until I started using them.
I can't explain that. I've seen wadcutters from much less powerful airguns do the trick very nicely and reliably.
 
.177 Air Pistol Not Enough - Maybe .22 CB Caps?

I've got a Webley Hurricane .177 pistol that I believe is suppose to clock in at 475 fps. I'll tell you one thing, against a rat, it is semi-worthless. My cat mortally injured a huge one in my back yard. It could crawl around, but barely. I pumped 3 rounds into the sucker and didn't even draw blood! The damm rat even made it into a drainage pipe before I could hit him with another round.

That rat did try to make a break for it later, but my cat was there to finish him off.

How do you think .22 CB caps or dust rounds would work? The problem is, I only have two .22's - a Ruger MK II and a bolt action with a scope. I imagine the Ruger would be a single shot proposition at best. I think something like a S&W .22 Kit Gun would be better. Noise is a factor - my neighbors are pretty cool, but I don't want to freak them out, and I definitely don't want stray rounds overpenetrating to be a factor.

Bruise
 
Another vote for the Sheridan 5 mm air rifle. It's drilled and tapped for a Williams peep sight (more money, but worth it!) and is plenty accurate. It kills them with a head shot as far out as I can hit them and is not at all noisy.

Aguila makes a .22 cal. round without any powder, just a 20 grain bullet and the primer in the rim. Sounds like an air rifle when shot from a pistol, Shot from a rifle it's pretty much silent. I haven't used it on squirrels, but it's great for mice indoors. Might be worth a try if you can find a box.
 
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