Picatinny rail mount question

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File this under "do they make this?"

I'm looking for a mount (extra cool points of it is QD) that would attach to the 3 or 9 o'clock rail, and place an optic over the barrel, as if it were attached to the 12 o'clock rail. As far as which optic, think Aimpoint or some other red dot, or perhaps a scout scope. Anyone know of such a thing? I figure it might have some application in 3 gun or some other rifle game. Or, perhaps not.

As to why I would want to do such a silly thing...I own a KTR. It has a very nice rail system, but no 12 o'clock rail, and no way to install one. It also has a dustcover mount that is about the best dustcover mount out there. It absolutely will not shift while it is on the rifle. You do, however, have to remove it to clean the thing, and re-zeroing is hit or miss. Annoying.

Mike
 
But you are a moderator. your name is all boldy and foreboding. Don't you have some super Jedi Force connection to all things gunny thereby maintaining universal ones with the Shooting Meticlorians?

This is really some type of test where we students try to impress you but will fail miserably thereby establishing your true dominance over us. Am I going to lose an eye like "California Mountain Snake" for this impudence?

I have no clue master.

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I am not well versed on the KTRs but do they no have the normal AK side mount place? Or could you add the side mount attachment to the one you have. That seems one of the best ways of adding a scope to an AK style gun.....but again I do not know anything about KTRs for that may be impossible.
 
Arthurcw-

Darnit. you're on to me. ;)

I am not well versed on the KTRs but do they no have the normal AK side mount place? Or could you add the side mount attachment to the one you have. That seems one of the best ways of adding a scope to an AK style gun.....but again I do not know anything about KTRs for that may be impossible.
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No, that won't work. I thought about it, but it won't, because...

1. There is no side rail. I could add one, but...

2. The mount on the KTR dustcover sticks up high enough that it would interfere with the mount if it was an "over the center" style. I could use one of the ones offset to the side like the PK-AS, but I'd really rather not go that route.

Thanks, though.

Mike
 
And this idea is changing your gun into something less and less like a KTR I know, but if you are scoping it, then your BUIS probably won't get used....so could you put a regular dust cover on and keep your other as a quick change BUIS?
 
Yeah, that'd be a last resort option. I had considered it, though.

Truth be told, I'd almost rather keep it as a nice, simple iron-sights carbine than do anything too elaborate. The POI shift is not terrible with irons, it's much more noticible with a red dot sitting on the rail (now, whether this has more to do with the red dot sitting higher and thus more influenced by small changes in the base or with a less than stellar iron sights shooting skill on the part of the operator is open for debate :rolleyes: ). If I can get a quick and painless way to add a red dot, I'd do it, but if not, I think it will remain a dead nuts simple iron-sight carbine.

Mike
 
Commanderpoopydux-

Won't work. I had originally thought of an ultimak type setup, but the KTR uses a proprietary gas tube.

Lucky-

That's the kinda thing I'm talking about, exactly. Do you remember where you saw it?

Thanks,

Mike
 
No, and no (well...I don't think so, at least).

The new rail hooks into the FSB on an AK. The KTR has no FSB in that location. I'm guessing the new! improved! KTR will retain the original FSB and use that rail.

As to the quad rail, I'm not sure how the KTR's existing tri-rail is attached, offhand. The front of the reciever seems the same as a standard AK, but the front of the standard handguard is missing completely, and I don't think the barrel is profiled right to retrofit the quad rail in. I could be wrong, though.

In short, the entire nose end of the KTR is different from your standard AK. That's good in many ways, but bad in this one. :(

Mike
 
It would require machining off the existing rail and doing some creative welding to position something higher up. Ehh. I'd rather keep it iron-sights-only than try that, I think. Or, go with something offset to the side (PK-AS) using a sidemount.

Seriously, though. I appreciate the help.

Mike
 
Hmm. Worth trying, at least, if it's not too expensive.

Thanks,

Mike
 
Won't work. The KTR's front sight would be in the way, and I'm not sure, off the top of my head, how removable the existing front rail is.

I think I'm just going to get a laser for the rifle. That way you have good BUIS and a rock solid mount for the primary aiming device. Besides, I always wanted an excuse to buy a laser... ;)

Mike
 
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