Picture Request (Pocket/New Model Pocket)

[Old Fuff]

Well in actual use the push-in-the-ball with-the-end-of-the-cylinder-pin system didn't (and doesn't) work too well if you have a tight fit between the ball and chamber. So it didn't take Colt very long to go to an attached rammer.

Yes, you can use a length of pipe or metal tubing slipped over the end of a short bullet rammer. I know because I've done that and suggested it to others. But that presumes there is a rammer in the first place, and on snubbies there often isn't. Also I have never found any evidence that the system was ever used during the 19th century.

I think the outlaw in question might have been a Texan named Bass Outlaw.

Many cap & ball era gunmen carried two, and sometimes more, revolvers. But this is hardly a good solution for those who want to get off more then 12 shots during an afternoon at the local shooting range. On the other side of the coin, very few carry C&B snubbies for personal protection any more.

All I care about is to be sure that those that are new to the game understand that cap & ball revolvers that don't have attached rammers can present problems that because of inexperience they might not of thought of. I have a strong hunch that most of the folks that buy this particular kind of gun show it off to friends more then they shoot it.

 

[madcratebuilder]

fuff, what about the loading tool that the Paterson used? I know they are awkward to use, but they well get the job done. Any record that something like that may have been used with cut down revolvers with out the loading lever?

 

[Old Fuff]

fuff, what about the loading tool that the Paterson used? I know they are awkward to use, but they well get the job done. Any record that something like that may have been used with cut down revolvers with out the loading lever?

I suppose it's a possibility, but no – I have never come across anything of that nature other then the ones used in the early Patersons. It was a lever affair that fit in the cylinder pin’s wedge slot. But the demand for snubby revolver(s) would have to be big enough to justify the tooling costs, and I note that both Pietta and Uberti seem to have discontinued the ultra-short guns – I presume because there weren’t enough orders to justify they’re production. Also neither company seriously addressed the loading issues when they did offer them.

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t return in metallic cartridge conversion form. There wouldn’t be any more problems then those associated with clones of Colt’s Single Action Army “Sheriff Model” six-shooters.

On an unrelated subject. A big auction will be going on this morning in California that has a fair sized collection of Colt cap & ball revolvers including 1st, 2nd and 3rd issues; and a whole lot more. Links are posted below. If you click on the little thumbnails a larger picture will appear, and if you expand the screen on your monitor to full size you can click on a banner at the top of the picture to get an even bigger full sized one. Click on the “X” in the upper-right hand corner and you’ll be back where you started. Auctions start at 12:00 noon and 7:00 pm. CA. time

http://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=18516

http://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=18517

Do look! If nothing else it's worth it for the eye candy and education.

 

[RyanM]

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t return in metallic cartridge conversion form. There wouldn’t be any more problems then those associated with clones of Colt’s Single Action Army “Sheriff Model” six-shooters.

I would really love to see a factory-converted 1862 in .38 SPL, with modern steel and the correct bore diameter, and about a 2.5" to 3" barrel.

Then again, I half hope they don't ever make that, since I'd probably be half-tempted to use it for occasional CCW!

 

[madcratebuilder]

On an unrelated subject. A big auction will be going on this morning in California that has a fair sized collection of Colt cap & ball revolvers including 1st, 2nd and 3rd issues; and a whole lot more. Links are posted below. If you click on the little thumbnails a larger picture will appear, and if you expand the screen on your monitor to full size you can click on a banner at the top of the picture to get an even bigger full sized one. Click on the “X” in the upper-right hand corner and you’ll be back where you started. Auctions start at 12:00 noon and 7:00 pm. CA. time

I have spent hours and millions looking at all those beautiful guns.

 

[Old Fuff]

I would really love to see a factory-converted 1862 in .38 SPL, with modern steel and the correct bore diameter, and about a 2.5" to 3" barrel.

Colt originally made both the 1862 Pocket Navy and Police models in .38 Long Colt. As for .38 Special - the problem is that some brain-dead individuals would want to shoot Plus-P ammunition in them. While the cylinder might (or might not) stand up to this there would be a risk of the cylinder pin cracking at the wedge slot. Open-top revolvers were never made for this kind of abuse. :banghead: