Pietta 1860 Army Snub Nose
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desidog
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It's less gun for more money. Since they're all CNC'd, barrels are interchangeable, so you're better off just buying a second barrel on gunbroker for 25 bucks and spending five minutes with a hack saw, followed by an hour or two of judicious filing. Spend some of that money on a dremel tool, and you can add an old coin as a front sight too. Otherwise a hack saw and a triangular file with a flat side, and you're dovetailing... That way, you can use the OEM barrel's loading lever, and then swap out the barrels.
I admit the price is steep but what i want to know is will it shoot a 140 grain lead ball at 800 fps using 35 grains of pyro.?
I don't think a truly hard hitting pocket gun is possible with blackpowder. This gun is listed as weighing 2 1/2 pounds!!! It would be nice if they cut the weight in half, but then i suspect the recoil would shake the balls loose in the other chambers.
Kaeto
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Except there are no barrels available. As well as none on Fleabay.
I got the same gun from taylors http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/1860-army-44-snub-nose-with-thunderer-grips-pietta.html
I had to pay sales tax since i live in the same state, plus shipping, and it was still a little less then $400.
Not sure about the one youre looking at, but taylors version has the semi fluted cylinder which shaves a couple ounces. Taylors also makes sure that each and every firearm is checked out by the gunsmith before it leaves their store. Yeah, any steel frame single action is gonna way a lot more then one of the modern plastic wonder weapons... but do they have same level of versatility? Black powder, .45LC cylinder, .45ACP cylinder, .45 Schofield, it can even be converted to fire .22's. Likewise, you can quickly swap out barrels and even grip frames. I REALLY like that birdshead grip, but it CAN be replaced. I have a 7 1/2" g&g barrel that fits and shoots great on it.. am going to get more.
I carry mine with 777 powder, .454RB, and the 3"barrel almost daily... I have yet to feel outgunned, but where I live I dont really NEED an M1-A1 Abrems in order to feel safe. Others mileage may very, but if you cant tell by now, I LOVE MINE!
I had to pay sales tax since i live in the same state, plus shipping, and it was still a little less then $400.
Not sure about the one youre looking at, but taylors version has the semi fluted cylinder which shaves a couple ounces. Taylors also makes sure that each and every firearm is checked out by the gunsmith before it leaves their store. Yeah, any steel frame single action is gonna way a lot more then one of the modern plastic wonder weapons... but do they have same level of versatility? Black powder, .45LC cylinder, .45ACP cylinder, .45 Schofield, it can even be converted to fire .22's. Likewise, you can quickly swap out barrels and even grip frames. I REALLY like that birdshead grip, but it CAN be replaced. I have a 7 1/2" g&g barrel that fits and shoots great on it.. am going to get more.
I carry mine with 777 powder, .454RB, and the 3"barrel almost daily... I have yet to feel outgunned, but where I live I dont really NEED an M1-A1 Abrems in order to feel safe. Others mileage may very, but if you cant tell by now, I LOVE MINE!
from a prior post of years past
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Gunsamerica shows some numbers for velocity and ft lbs force with 40 grains BP
3" barrel 685 fps
145 ft lbs energy at the muzzle
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I am quite certain it will ruin the recipient's day.
You will also have a large fireball at the end of your hand, which is liable to set anything
that is within 6 feet a-light ....
hope this helps
shunka
I got the same gun from taylors http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/1860-army-44-snub-nose-with-thunderer-grips-pietta.html
I had to pay sales tax since i live in the same state, plus shipping, and it was still a little less then $400.
Not sure about the one youre looking at, but taylors version has the semi fluted cylinder which shaves a couple ounces. Taylors also makes sure that each and every firearm is checked out by the gunsmith before it leaves their store. Yeah, any steel frame single action is gonna way a lot more then one of the modern plastic wonder weapons... but do they have same level of versatility? Black powder, .45LC cylinder, .45ACP cylinder, .45 Schofield, it can even be converted to fire .22's. Likewise, you can quickly swap out barrels and even grip frames. I REALLY like that birdshead grip, but it CAN be replaced. I have a 7 1/2" g&g barrel that fits and shoots great on it.. am going to get more.
I carry mine with 777 powder, .454RB, and the 3"barrel almost daily... I have yet to feel outgunned, but where I live I dont really NEED an M1-A1 Abrems in order to feel safe. Others mileage may very, but if you cant tell by now, I LOVE MINE!
I checked the Taylors website and yeah, they list at $350. I still think that's steep for a BP gun with fixed sights and not SS. I'd like to see it get below $300.
A really first-class black powder revolver can cost in the $800 to $1,200 range and more if you want a gun that accuracy-wise will hold its own against modern target pistols out to 50 yards.
Of course most buyers don't want that. The Italian makers can make a gun at whatever price point a importer demands, but they're customers will get what they pay for.
Which is part of the reason our very own 45 Dragoon doesn't seem to be lacking in gun-tuning work too do. Again you get what you pay for.
Of course most buyers don't want that. The Italian makers can make a gun at whatever price point a importer demands, but they're customers will get what they pay for.
Which is part of the reason our very own 45 Dragoon doesn't seem to be lacking in gun-tuning work too do. Again you get what you pay for.
I have the "Thunderer" 1860 Army ,44cal ,fun gun to shoot. I never had a gun with a Birds Head grip. Not much recoil,not much more than the regular 1860 Army,both with 30gr of Pyrodex,and a round ball. I use my 1860 Army with the 8" to load the cylinders,I have 4 and blast away. I shoot this pistol more than any of the others. I have 13 black powder revolvers. I have shot this gun with an 8 in barrel. It points great with both barrels. At 10 yards,it shoots just under 2 inches with the 3 inch,two hand hold. I have a CCW,and take it out for a walk now and then. Fun little gun. Been thinking about getting a Navy model.
Panzerschwein
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Did you try ebay? Fleabay is a different website.
Do you need a CCW in your state to carry a BP revolver?. The feds and most states do not classify them as guns so i kinda figured there were essentially no restrictions on carrying them.
We're talking snubbies here and 50 yard accuracy is not the issue.
Selling this snubby 1860 army at $400 is too much. A couple months back Cabela's was selling 1858s with 5.5" barrel at $200. If they would cut that down to 3" i'd grab one, maybe two of them.
Depends how ya look at it.
You COULD pay the average Cabelas price of $250 and then set about changing it over yourself. Of course there is a 50/50 chance you'll have to return it, right off the bat... But let say ya dont;
You now have the standard grip and 8" barrel... Good start, but if you want that snubbie and cant do the work yourself, youre gonna pay.
Last time I even SAW a factory 3" barrel on Ebay the asking price was $250 on its own. Needless to say I wasnt the one who bought it LOL. Sadly, I have never seen another. VTI has them LISTED for a much more reasonable $125. This in no way insures that they HAVE them, at any price, just that they are LISTING them for that price... As with all things VTI, best to call and check on actual availability.
Your Cabelas '60 came with a battle scene etched into the NON fluted cylinder... If you want the semi fluted vers, VTI lists them as well, for another $125 ($30 more then the regular one).
Now as to the grip... Lets hope you are good at checkering, as factory finished and checkered thunderer grips are not to be had anywhere, at any price, as far as I can tell. Again, VTI lists the UNfinished backstrap and UNfinished grips that SHOULD work (they are actually listed under the 1873, not the '60), they list for $89 and $50 respectively.
So... Counting the original stock sidearm, and assuming we CAN get all the parts, we are looking at:
Firearm - $250
Barrel - $125
Backstrap - $89
Grip - $50
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Total - $514
Thats NOT counting S&H on all that stuff... And if ya DO want that semi-fluted cylinder that shaves off that couple ounces (and looks amazingly cool! LOL) tack that other $125 on for a whopping total of $639!!
For MY money, its gonna be a LOT easier, and cheaper, for me to find stock barrels (even the shorter 5.5") and stock grips and frame, then its gonna be to try and find all this snubbie stuff on the cheap...
I would be VERY careful in assuming that it can be legally carried!
Yes, the ATF has classed it as a "NON firearm", however each and every State has its own laws regarding owning and carrying them.. Many classify them as full fledged firearms once they are loaded and capped... Making it the same as any other CCW.
Check the laws in your State VERY carefully before ya carry any BP!
This shows the size difference somewhat... Though not nearly as well as holding them in ya hand would. Frankly, Im just not set up to do the amount of work that it would take to make that Remmi carry size. And it will never be quite as small because of the top strap... Having both, the 5.5" Remmi it my holster gun, the 8" is going to be for targets and hunting, the '60 is my every day carry.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6307128&postcount=9
Piettakid,in Minnesota it is considered a firearm. Gun laws in this state suck. Look who we have for a senator in Washington! He has to be the dumbest a$$ in all of D.C!!! Wait,Franken is the second dumbest, Reid is number one,but it is close.
Malachi Leviticus Blue
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A loaded revolver being carried is likely going to be considered a dangerous weapon whether or not it is considered a Firearm or not. Non-firearms e.g., Katana Sword, brass knuckles, switch blades etc. are often restricted more than firearms by local ordinances.
These revolvers may look the same, but selling for various prices. That doesn't mean the are the same. Pietta (and Uberti) can shave the price within basic models (Colt 1851 Navy and 1860 Army: Remington 1858) on request from different importers, distributors and dealers - and often do. Large quantity/cash buys can make a difference, but that only happens on best-selling most popular versions. Another practice is to cut quality where you can't see it without completely disassembling the gun and checking each piece, and even then you may miss something.
I don't carry a cap & ball revolver in the context of a personal defense weapon, but if I did it would be tuned by a specialist such as 45 Dragoon to insure the highest possible reliability, not which particular retailer had the absolutely lowest price.
dickydalton
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Gaucho Gringo
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There is a brass framed 1858 on my local gun forum for $125.00. It looks to be in good shape, probably could be had for less. You could buy a gun like this and cut the barrel, re crown it. do some grip work and buy a short barrel base pin for an 1858 and have less than $150.00 in it if you did the work yourself if you want a short barrel gun.
No need to change the base pin is there? I've got a 5.5" barrel pietta. Just saw 2.5" off the barrel and remove the loading lever and i'm in business. The base pin would extend beyond the barrel but only when removing the cylinder.
Wish i'd bought an extra 5.5" 1858 a couple months back when cabela's had them on sale for $200.
I've been toying with the idea of chopping my Pietta NMA down a bit to maybe 4" or so, which is what I've always felt was the ideal length for a revolver meant to be handy (not exactly CCW). For that I figured putting a (lack of better word) pivot point would allow for the lever catch as I'd want to be able to reload my guns without needing a loading tool.
Without something to hold that cylinder pin in place it could fall out or be pulled out upon drawing it. That is with nothing else done to ensure it stays put...
Without something to hold that cylinder pin in place it could fall out or be pulled out upon drawing it. That is with nothing else done to ensure it stays put...
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