rellascout
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I am completely relaxed... I don't take the interweb seriously. Care to address my rebuttal to your 147gr bullets are not good in short barreled 9mms or are you going to continue to maintain your original statement.
PM9 + Golden Sabers = Fail --- Please Help
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Got both PF9 and a PM9. I run ball 115 FMJ any brass case brand at range for plinking, no problems. For JHP, I use Speer GDHP 124 and Federal 9bple 115 JHP all day w/ no problems. My PM9 is one of the older ones that are still covered under warranty for life (new Kahrs only warranty for 5 years).
ChazHollywood
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Well, I certainly don't design commercial ammunition, so I would think the guy you quoted at Winchester knows what he's talking about. That said, his comments are more about terminal performance than they are about cycling.
I just don't think 147 grain loads are snappy enough to cycle reliably in all sub-compact semi-auto's. The Kahr has a very stiff action, it needs a cartridge that is going to completely cycle the slide after each shot.
Speer would seem to agree with this logic as their "short barrel' specific ammo only comes in 124 grain for the 9mm. If 147 grain was the preferred weight for a short barrel 9mm I imagine they would have selected that instead, being such a specialty round.
Can you explain why Speer doesn't have a 147 grain a short barrel Gold Dot offering if it is the preferred weight for short barrel handguns?
IMTHDUKE
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I understand that this post only relates to the OP in a tangential way, however, Kimber recommends only 124 and 147 gr rds to be used in the Solo. I had a problem with the 115 gr and Kimber CS told me the rd was too light for the gun to cycle. Just sayin.....
Scimmia
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Chaz, a heavier round has the potential of actually creating more pressure and very possibly cycling more reliably. A number of manufacturers actually recommends not using 115 gr rounds for break in for this very reason. Once the bullet starts moving, pressure starts dropping. A heavier bullet will generally keep the pressure up longer since it's moving slower. This is also why people recommend them for short barrel pistols, the extra time in the barrel makes better use of the powder, resulting in better KE at the muzzle.
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IMTHDUKE
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^What he said....
Scimmia
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cbrgator, I carry Federal HST 124 gr +P in my CM9. The only FTF I've had was when I was slowly cycling the action to see how well they fed. If you go with any of the 147 gr bullets, I would pull the barrel and drop a round in; you should hear it *clunk* into the chamber and it should fall back out when you invert the barrel. These guns have a short chamber, 1.130" overall length was too long for the 125 gr bullet from Missouri Bullet Company, which has a more rounded profile than most at that weight. You could very well run into that with a 147 gr.
RedAlert
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While I don't own a PM9, I do own a PM40. I had similar feed issues with mine. I ended up using the PowerBall ammo. It has a plastic ball wedged into the hollow point and has the general shape of rounded ball ammo.
The ammo feeds reliably and per design, the plastic ball forces the hollow point to open up in expansion yet provides no sharp edges to catch during feeding.
Worth a try in your PM9.
The ammo feeds reliably and per design, the plastic ball forces the hollow point to open up in expansion yet provides no sharp edges to catch during feeding.
Worth a try in your PM9.
Apocalypse-Now
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anything + remington ammo = fail
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