Police raid high school; place kids on floor at gunpoint.

[dustind]

I think this is a different article on the subject, sorry if it was already posted.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/South/11/07/school.raid/

Gotta love these parts.

"They would go put a gun up to them, push them against the wall, take their book bags and search them," Aaron Sims, 14, told CNN affiliate WCSC. "They just came up and got my friend, not even saying anything or what was going to happen. ... I was scared."

"The school had no knowledge that weapons would be drawn," Barrow said. "We understand students' and parents' and the community's concerns about this particular search. We will work internally and with local law enforcement to be sure these issues are addressed."

Still, he said, the school was concerned about possible drug sales on campus, and believed action was necessary.

Dustin's comments: When did SC repeal the 4th amendment. I doubt they had warrants for everyone's back packs. Reasonable suspicion is not probable cause. I can not understand how these scum think throwing kids around that they think may have drugs is alright. Even if they did that would be plain wrong, arrest them, but do not put guns to 14 year olds heads. Many third world countries are not this bad. I can not imagine what would happen if this was done in Minnesota.

 

[Drjones]

If some JBT did a random, without cause search of my child with a gun pointed at him, I'd "address some issues" allright.

 

[semf]

But the students had guns pointed at them!

Boo hoo.


But a bunch of students were manhandled and threatened with death or or grievious bodily injury for the crime of going to school with SUSPECTED drug dealers whom somebody CLAIMED had weapons Boo Hoo

Yes commrad I see your point

 

[toro]

Well, I just heard on the the Fox News that the State Government is going to check into the police department at Goose Creek S.C. They are comming in to check their records, their training and want to know why they pulled guns on children. I wonder if they will order them to get rid of their military type hairstyles? I wonder if they will have to get rid of those leather gloves they like to make them look mean? I wonder if there will be any police left on the force? I wonder if Goose Creek will have the money to pay the police officers, after the law suits. Let's see it could be a class action suit with 107 innocent children. I think they made a BIG mistake.

Mrs. Toro


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Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

[Boats]

Goose Step, er Goose Creek, South Carolina has less than 30,000 and their Police Webpage will show that there are only some thirty or so patrol officers on the entire force. Of course, the PD also has a "Special Response Team," as a thread of mine in the past pointed out, just about everywhere there are more than three cops on the same shift there is a SWAT team these days, because no matter how poor the training, being a paramilitary is a rush!

So a significant fraction of the local high and tights were there Goose Stepping that day. One will also note on that website that their complaint page has been taken offline.

Were my son swept up in the "round-up" I think Goose Step would at least be facing a Sec. 1983 Civil Rights suit and false imprisonment lawsuit.

 

[WYO]

I watched the video, and it looked out of bounds to me without a REALLY good explanation that probably isn’t there.

 

[Moparmike]

What pi$$es me off about the whole situation isnt the complete overstepping of boundaries and miss-appropriation of force, but how un-apologetic and celabratory the HS principal and Goose Creek police force as a whole is. If my HS would have done that, I would have given them a HUGE peice of my mind, laced with "colorful metaphors" and gone to another school. I would be finding everyone I could to make these people's lives a LIVING HELL.

 

[Owen]

Goose Creek PD

I have a freind in Goose Creek, who has told me several horror stories. In his case, he drove of the road on a rainy night. (There were no shoulders, or white line on the side of the road). When the brownshirts showed up, they booked him for drunk driving and threw him in a cell, even tho he was asking for medical attention. The cops told him he was lying and stop being a cry baby. He ended up having a few crushed disks.
I've heard quite a few other stories about this dept. Maybe they will finally get their comeuppance.

owen

 

[Don Galt]

And of course, the alleged crime is CAPITALISM.

There are two main branches of socialism. In the communist society, the state owns the means of production. In a fascist society, the means of production are private, but they are controlled, to an absolute degree, by the state.

Therefore, in this example of drug "enforcement", we literally have an example of fascism.

You cannot legally grow or deal in marijuana for even scientific purposes without the permission of the federal government.

Thus, to call this incident fascist is not to engage in hyperbole!

Oh, and any school where such a search finds NO drugs, is a school that is unusually clean. A normal highschool with well adjusted, healthy, kids should have at least some weed in it.

That none was found, tells me that the excuse for the raid is false-- this was just a chance to play soldier with live ammunition.

Any word on repercussions? Is the local DA on the case? Or is this just going to be ignored like virtually every crime committed by police in this country?

 

[Moparmike]

This post is not meant as a "calling out", but as an informational peice.

WRONG.

There are limitations on the exercise of rights, but students are not fully stripped of their rights. You know that.

Mr. Irwin, it may have been like that before. But NOW, it is not. Having graduated high school in May of 2001, even a small school of less than 1000 in K-12, I KNOW now and found out through high school that my rights ended at that door.

What you have left is "pseudo-rights", that are only there because the admnistration does not want to get sued. No one is strip-searched, no one is...err...was held at gunpoint for any reason. They could search your locker because you rented it from them. It was their property. Ok, I will buy that. However, them going through my backpack was something else entirely.

Sure we had drug dogs twice a year. We left our stuff on the floor, and walked out of the building. We came back 5 minutes later, some of our stuff kind of disturbed. We had dogs sniffing cars. If the dog did something, it got searched. No car got searched otherwise.

Things have changed in schools. No one is trusted, and no one has rights while on the property. Welcome to government schools since 1995. Aint that right Winston?

 

[hillbilly]

I have just seen the video of the glorious defenders of the Reich.......oops, I mean police officers in the high school.

Und I vant to know vhere are der JACK BOOTS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

How can you conduct a proper raid of that sort vithout der JACK BOOTS!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

Sig Heil!

hillbilly

 

[ScottsGT]

I've got to chime in on this one. I grew up in Summerville, one of the main rivals of Goose Creek in HS Football. ( Goose Creek was split to form Stratford HS years back) It got so bad, we quit playing them for several years. But Goose Creek PD and Berkeley County has ALWAYS had a reputation for being a little heavy handed in its tactics. This does not suprise me in ANY way. I think things could have been handled a little better. But I'm not searching for drug dealers for a living. I guess we can all be arm chair quarterbacks, but until we get involved in a few plays and take a few bruises, we really don't understand the game. Besides, South Carolina has had a REAL rise in Gangs in recient years. These gangs carry real guns with real bullets into schools. Think about it.

 

[Intune]

No excuse. We have gangs here too, guess I should expect a faceful of Glock on my next stop for expired tags. I'm not a doctor either so I can't question my doc leaving the sponge in my body during surgery, eh? Sheesh!

If one has difficulty interacting with fellow humans a job doing so with a high potential for violence probably shouldn't be ones first career choice.

I don't understand how this action could be defended by anyone, but I've seen it here. I don't care if the hallways looked like a rainbow with so many gang colors and there was so much reefer smoke it looked like fog. Bust the hell outta them but do it safely and legally. Is that too much to ask from the POLICE? Safe and legal, novel concept? Hmm...

 

[JohnBT]

Armed intervention might, maybe, somehow, save Richmond City Public Schools.

But they'd better be careful because they'd be outnumbered and outgunned.

John

P.S. - I didn't think kids had any rights at school. That's what they always told us.

 

[Balog]

outfieldjack:
Let's review, shall we? Sportcat: loves kids, wants to help kids, thinks kids in school don't have the same rights as he does, and has no problem with cops abusing and pointing guns at kids. Which of these statements don't belong? Which of these statements has he made in the thread? I stand by my post. Calling someone an elitest when they have no problem with the JBT's violating someone else's rights isn't an insult, it's accurate. I'm so sorry he got his feelings hurt before he got a chance to answer my question: if it happened to him, would he still be ok with it?

 

[outfieldjack]

Balog

I guess I like to debate and make my points without having to "name call" and insulting other members without really knowing them. I'm not going to get in an arguement with you about what he said... All I said was saying "He HATES kids" was wrong. I believe that that the "intent" of the police and the school administration was correct, but the follow-thru was wrong. I believe that Sportcat feels the same way.

Jack

 

[Balog]

Ok jack, I'll rephrase. He doesn't hate kids, he just thinks they have less rights than he does and has no problem with their lives being endangered. Happy now?

I wasn't trying to insult or name call anyone. I was simply pointing out that his views, as expressed in this thread, are exactly the same as the views expressed by Schumer et al toward gun owners. I could see how this might be insulting, but it is also accurate. No, I don't know him. But I wasn't aware that I had to meet someone before I could debate them.

 

[outfieldjack]

You don't need to meet them to debate them, but insults are a different thing. I don't think any of us are here to make each other mad... Anyway, I think we are all on the same page here... even if our positions were not as clear as they could have been made. I'm signing off from this thread.

 

[DaveB]

The mistake is not that they pointed guns at children.

The mistake is that the video was made public.

It looks to me like the school board has a few weeks to sack the school principal - or face a recall. As upset as many of you will get, the ACLU should be all over this one.

If it were my own kids shown on the video, they would now be in private school, or in homeschooling.

Zero Tolerance for me.

db

 

[hops]

Can't figure out if these are GESTAPO tactics or NKVD tactics.

 

[Oleg Volk]

Maybe it is a time for a new thread, then...