Possible New Colt Pythons?

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I bought my blued 4" Python to shoot if I want a newer version then I might consider a 4.25" if the price was reasonable for shooting otherwise I am happy with what I have.I think it is great they brought out a new version of the Python and I am thrilled that we are getting newer variety of wheel guns to choose from.Maybe a resurgence of the revolver in the marketplace.Give me some form of steel and wood every time.
 
Now your simply being foolish. Who are you to judge others "needs"? FACT: A $15 Timex is more accurate, rugged, and dependable than a $15K Rolex. Deal with it. You can try to spin that any way you want. But it doesn't change anything. In today's world, a Rolex movement is a dinosaur in a shiny case. Much like the "new" Python. Very blingy, but doesn't work very well.

Look, if you want to tell me you bought a Rolex to show off, and impress people with your "success", I can go along with that. I think it's stupid, because I'm not that vain. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, I can accept it. But don't sit there, and expect anyone to believe you bought it for it's "accuracy". That's just plain ludicrous.



You are correct. Both are overpriced for what they are. And neither of them work as well as similar products that cost less, are far more accurate, and last longer. So why would I be foolish enough to waste my time and money screwing with either?

As far as this "new" Python. Perhaps in the near future they'll straighten out it's present issues. I sure hope so. The gun buying public deserves a lot better for $1,500.00. And if it doesn't take off, I suspect the street price on these things will come down fast.

Few shooters are going to pay that when there are better mass produced, double action revolvers out there at half that price. It's called competition. And it's the law of the business world. And it's certainly no deep dark secret that Colt has had more than it's share of problems in that department.

They would have a hard time making money if the government loaned them the printing press, paper, and ink. Let's hope that changes, or I suspect this "new" Python isn't going to be around long enough to matter either way. Their "new" Cobra isn't exactly selling like hotcakes. I'm already seeing it heavily discounted.

Their AR-15's are already history. I wonder how long it will be before they realize that mistake, and "reintroduce" them, like they are most everything else they quit making?

Wow are you clueless about watches. A $15 Times tougher than a Rolex? Rolex watches are built like a tank, thay strapped one on a submarine and took it to a depth of 12,000’ with no harm to the watch, try that with your POS Timex. I inherited mine from my dad, it’s worth about three times what he paid for it. They have been great investments. Far from being dinosaurs, the stainless models have years long waiting lists. Instead of making false statements about something you’re ignorant about, just admit you can’t afford it, nothing wrong with that.
 
+20yrs of internet forums has taught me that people will ALWAYS be in a hurry to be the first critic. No matter what it is or who makes it, someone will be chomping at the bit to tell us all what a POS it is. Which they apparently think makes them look smart. Second, negative press ALWAYS gets more attention. Don't believe that, watch the evening news for five minutes. In the gun world, Colt could've shipped 10,000 units the first day and 9999 of those received could've made their new owners happier than a puppy with two peckers. They could function perfectly and shoot like a Freedom Arms. If that one person who is not happy makes a video of his unhappiness and posts it on YouTube, no matter how incompetent he appears to be, the gun world will be ablaze about what a worthless piece of junk that new gun is. `Tis the inherent idiocy of human nature, the ubiquitous Chicken Little syndrome.

The answer is in @460Shooter's signature. ;)
Yep! I do agree, but it sure dont help their cause when a YouTuber with 4.67 million subscribers, puts out a video that gets 275000 views on five days time showing the gun has an issue.
 
I have owned and still do own a few S&W revolvers. Some of them have had problems and one is about to go back to the factory for a second time.

I have owned 2 Ruger revolvers, and one of them was such a poorly put together piece of crap I got it in the best order I could and traded it away for a reloading press. It shot fine, after I spent months fiddling around with it. No thanks.

The new Colt Python is a Python in name and outward appearance, but as has been noted by others and by Colt, has changes in the lock work. SO WHAT? I couldn't care less. If people want the old style, then go buy one. It really is that simple. Calling this new gun a Python is marketing, and since Colt has already acknowledged the differences, it's not like they are trying to hide it. Stating that the old and new guns are different over and over is just noise, and not really helpful.

Saying "all kinds of people are having problems" without any linked articles or forum threads, or actual evidence other than two YouTube videos with problems is blowing things out of proportion needlessly.

We know these are mass produced, CNC machined, production guns that are every bit as subject to problems as other mass produced items. If people don't like the price tag, then buy something else.

It's not statistically improbable that two different Youtubers had issues, it statistically very likely give that both videos came out very early after the release, and a production problem is bound to be found early on. I don't see why that's surprising to anyone. The two guns may have been from the same lot for all we know.

I had the same experience with two Rugers, never again.

Supposedly the action is better on the new Pythons, with no stacking. Due to the variance of the hand work of the old ones there often was an inconsistent trigger pull. And BTW, I did have an old Python once with this same spinning cylinder issue. By the logic of some here I guess that means they were junk too.
 
Yep! I do agree, but it sure dont help their cause when a YouTuber with 4.67 million subscribers, puts out a video that gets 275000 views on five days time showing the gun has an issue.

True, but just because YouTube wasn’t around when the old Pythons were sold doesn’t mean a few didn’t have issues also.

I can’t see how anyone who says they like guns won’t say this new Python release is a good thing.
 
Well it damn well should be on a $1,500.00 gun! I can spend a third less on a refrigerator. Plug it in, and it will run perfectly for a dozen years.

And if that isn't bad enough, then they turn around and brag and carry on about all this wonderful new computer controlled technology that manufactures parts that magically fit together perfectly....... And assemble into pure crap. How many people here think buyers of 1955 era Pythons went through this kind of nonsense over a damn 6 shooter? Or would tolerate it? It's insane the amount of crap like this people will put up with today!
I wasn’t saying it was ok that there was a problem.

You missed the point.
 
How many of you guys remember the first production runs of S&W's 586s and 686s … remember the recall? Gosh, wasn't it all of them?

Beretta had some "issues" with critical parts breakage in the initial runs of the M-9. Resolved, and turned out quite well.

Kimber experimented with an external extractor on its 1911s after the initial runs were great, but that didn't work out for them.

Some companies, Kel-Tec comes to mind, kept putting out a crap pistol and pretended it wasn't crap until they just stopped making it, came out with a whole new pistol to market. (Pretty common in the industry -- even Ruger changed up stuff on their guns -- remember the P-85? Which sucked, until it became the P-89 … then the LC9, which morphed into the LC9s when people complained about the original heinous trigger.)

SIG had some "issues" with the initial production run of the 320; those have turned out quite well. Later, some issues with the first production run of 365s; those have turned out quite well.

Glock had, well, let's just say the Gen 4s came with some challenges. Then, how 'bout those problems with the wonderful G 42 mags? That the company stonewalled about.

These are just a few introductions that come to mind (let's not hold a grudge against Colt because of the All-American 2000).

We're talking about a gun that's been out for all of two weeks. And truly, we don't even really know if the new Python "sucks" yet guys -- some of you all are succumbing to a handful of anecdotal stories presented by anonymous posters on the internet and a couple YouTube videos by guys who should know better.

I can’t see how anyone who says they like guns won’t say this new Python release is a good thing.
Yep!

I could go around handing out 100 dollar bills to homeless people in downtown Seattle, and one of them would end up on a YouTube video going viral complaining that his C-note was wrinkled.
 
Yep recalls and other problems happen. Ruger has a dozen or so recalls or safety announcements on their site.

Ruger has always followed the churn out barely average products but have excellent customer service business model though. Ruger builds budget oriented guns, and then backs them up with good service for the handful of customers that shoot enough to actually have issues. It’s a successful strategy because they understand that the vast majority of their customers are not particularly demanding on their equipment.
 
For me the problems aren’t a big deal, most manufacturers have them. What is important to me is how problems are or aren’t addressed. I am very happy to see Colt back in the game with not just the Pythons but the Cobra line as well.....did I mention I really hope an Anaconda is in the works?....:D
 
How about Smith and Wesson, then? They have no shortage of alerts and recalls as well.

Same story with S&W these days. It is the business model of a large percentage of gun manufacturers these days. People want cheap guns, and shareholders want decent profit margins. Those two demands largely preclude stringent QC, testing, and human inspection or massaging of the product. The engineers do the best they can within those constraints to design parts that meet those goals of being cheap to make and “good enough”.
 
Yep! I do agree, but it sure dont help their cause when a YouTuber with 4.67 million subscribers, puts out a video that gets 275000 views on five days time showing the gun has an issue.

You would think that with the massive expansion of social media to the level it is today, these companies would be a bit more careful about their new products quality and performance. Before releasing them to consumers. But they're not. Because they don't care. Why should they? They've got their excuses being made for them right here. Their consumers are used to eating their crap. Their customers are all chomping at the bit to stand in line to buy it.

OH LOOK!!, LOOK!!, LOOK!!, They're bringing the Python back! Ohhh! The trigger is even BETTER!! Ohhh LOOK! You can take the front sight off this one! They're all acting like a bunch of 7 year olds running around Toy's-R-Us with their birthday money grandma gave them.

And God forbid if you spend over $1,500.00 for a brand new sixgun, and expect the damn thing to run right out of the box. And if it doesn't, what are you greeted with from the gun community on forums like this one?..... "Well Ruger has recalls!"..... "Smith & Wesson makes junk too!".... They try to justify crap manufacturing, by pointing to other crap manufacturing. It's insane. Then they have the audacity to actually think the new one is "better"?.... And why? Because some guy who gets paid to write for a gun rag say's so. Jesus!

And don't be naïve enough to think these gun companies don't monitor gun forums like this one. They read every word. It's how they develop the attitudes they do. "Get it out there.... FAST! Sell it. Don't worry about it. If there is a problem, they'll just send it back, then brag on the Internet about the quick turn around time".

"Hey guy's!, I got my POS Python back in just 2 weeks! With a nice letter and everything! I sure hope it runs right now!"....... It would be all but laughable, if it wasn't so damn pathetic.

These people have been fed such a steady diet of this crap as consumers, they've come to expect it as the norm. The younger guys simply don't know any better. And many of the old one's have B.S'd. themselves into thinking it's just dandy. All because they've got their ego's invested in these pieces of crap, that they overpaid for in the first place.
 
Same story with S&W these days. It is the business model of a large percentage of gun manufacturers these days. People want cheap guns, and shareholders want decent profit margins. Those two demands largely preclude stringent QC, testing, and human inspection or massaging of the product. The engineers do the best they can within those constraints to design parts that meet those goals of being cheap to make and “good enough”.

I’d rather pay less and have good CS as a backup. The one time I had to use Colt’s it was very good.
 
You would think that with the massive expansion of social media to the level it is today, these companies would be a bit more careful about their new products quality and performance. Before releasing them to consumers. But they're not. Because they don't care. Why should they? They've got their excuses being made for them right here. Their consumers are used to eating their crap. Their customers are all chomping at the bit to stand in line to buy it.

OH LOOK!!, LOOK!!, LOOK!!, They're bringing the Python back! Ohhh! The trigger is even BETTER!! Ohhh LOOK! You can take the front sight off this one! They're all acting like a bunch of 7 year olds running around Toy's-R-Us with their birthday money grandma gave them.

And God forbid if you spend over $1,500.00 for a brand new sixgun, and expect the damn thing to run right out of the box. And if it doesn't, what are you greeted with from the gun community on forums like this one?..... "Well Ruger has recalls!"..... "Smith & Wesson makes junk too!".... They try to justify crap manufacturing, by pointing to other crap manufacturing. It's insane. Then they have the audacity to actually think the new one is "better"?.... And why? Because some guy who gets paid to write for a gun rag say's so. Jesus!

And don't be naïve enough to think these gun companies don't monitor gun forums like this one. They read every word. It's how they develop the attitudes they do. "Get it out there.... FAST! Sell it. Don't worry about it. If there is a problem, they'll just send it back, then brag on the Internet about the quick turn around time".

"Hey guy's!, I got my POS Python back in just 2 weeks! With a nice letter and everything! I sure hope it runs right now!"....... It would be all but laughable, if it wasn't so damn pathetic.

These people have been fed such a steady diet of this crap as consumers, they've come to expect it as the norm. The younger guys simply don't know any better. And many of the old one's have B.S'd. themselves into thinking it's just dandy. All because they've got their ego's invested in these pieces of crap, that they overpaid for in the first place.

So what is you point? We’ve pointed out Colt’s teething problems with this model are no different from Ruger or S&W past problems, do you just hate all gun makers? If I get one that works fine, what do I care about the few that don’t? My Glock 42 is a perfect example, runs great despite the initial problems they had with that model. And there is no overpaying going on, any object is worth what people are willing to pay for it, and customers are lining up for the new Python, getting one at MSRP is considered a good deal. Glad you don’t want one, more for the rest of us.
 
You would think that with the massive expansion of social media to the level it is today, these companies would be a bit more careful about their new products quality and performance. Before releasing them to consumers. But they're not. Because they don't care. Why should they? They've got their excuses being made for them right here. Their consumers are used to eating their crap. Their customers are all chomping at the bit to stand in line to buy it.

OH LOOK!!, LOOK!!, LOOK!!, They're bringing the Python back! Ohhh! The trigger is even BETTER!! Ohhh LOOK! You can take the front sight off this one! They're all acting like a bunch of 7 year olds running around Toy's-R-Us with their birthday money grandma gave them.

And God forbid if you spend over $1,500.00 for a brand new sixgun, and expect the damn thing to run right out of the box. And if it doesn't, what are you greeted with from the gun community on forums like this one?..... "Well Ruger has recalls!"..... "Smith & Wesson makes junk too!".... They try to justify crap manufacturing, by pointing to other crap manufacturing. It's insane. Then they have the audacity to actually think the new one is "better"?.... And why? Because some guy who gets paid to write for a gun rag say's so. Jesus!

And don't be naïve enough to think these gun companies don't monitor gun forums like this one. They read every word. It's how they develop the attitudes they do. "Get it out there.... FAST! Sell it. Don't worry about it. If there is a problem, they'll just send it back, then brag on the Internet about the quick turn around time".

"Hey guy's!, I got my POS Python back in just 2 weeks! With a nice letter and everything! I sure hope it runs right now!"....... It would be all but laughable, if it wasn't so damn pathetic.

These people have been fed such a steady diet of this crap as consumers, they've come to expect it as the norm. The younger guys simply don't know any better. And many of the old one's have B.S'd. themselves into thinking it's just dandy. All because they've got their ego's invested in these pieces of crap, that they overpaid for in the first place.
Whoa, dude -- just take some deep breaths, breathe!

That's about the most prolonged tirade I've ever seen in the revolver forum. Coupled with the psychoanalysis of both the prototypical gun nut and the new-age American consumer, I'm just in awe. On a serious note, here, though, buddy: kindly don't presume to tell me that I'm either B.S.ing myself or the I have my ego tied to my tools or material possessions (I'm pretty secure that way). Some of us just don't take ourselves, or this stuff, that seriously.
 
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Now your simply being foolish. Who are you to judge others "needs"? FACT: A $15 Timex is more accurate, rugged, and dependable than a $15K Rolex. Deal with it. You can try to spin that any way you want. But it doesn't change anything. In today's world, a Rolex movement is a dinosaur in a shiny case. Much like the "new" Python. Very blingy, but doesn't work very well.

Look, if you want to tell me you bought a Rolex to show off, and impress people with your "success", I can go along with that. I think it's stupid, because I'm not that vain. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, I can accept it. But don't sit there, and expect anyone to believe you bought it for it's "accuracy". That's just plain ludicrous.



You are correct. Both are overpriced for what they are. And neither of them work as well as similar products that cost less, are far more accurate, and last longer. So why would I be foolish enough to waste my time and money screwing with either?

As far as this "new" Python. Perhaps in the near future they'll straighten out it's present issues. I sure hope so. The gun buying public deserves a lot better for $1,500.00. And if it doesn't take off, I suspect the street price on these things will come down fast.

Few shooters are going to pay that when there are better mass produced, double action revolvers out there at half that price. It's called competition. And it's the law of the business world. And it's certainly no deep dark secret that Colt has had more than it's share of problems in that department.

They would have a hard time making money if the government loaned them the printing press, paper, and ink. Let's hope that changes, or I suspect this "new" Python isn't going to be around long enough to matter either way. Their "new" Cobra isn't exactly selling like hotcakes. I'm already seeing it heavily discounted.

Their AR-15's are already history. I wonder how long it will be before they realize that mistake, and "reintroduce" them, like they are most everything else they quit making?
Your posts are not the High Road way. Try to reflect a sense of community.
 
...Not a single individual here aside from Old Dog, would accept a brand new automobile that broke down and failed to function right off the dealer lot. Not one of us.

You bring up an excellent point that has been completely overlooked. I'm old enough to remember new cars from the 60's. They were junk, pure and simple. I never remember my parents ever buying a new one that didn't have to go back to the dealer 3 or 4 times to fix squeaks, rattles, this or that not working correctly, if at all.

And the cars were ALL far more simple back then. You could look under the hood and see the pavement. No matter, they still produced crap.

Today the cars are all MUCH MORE complex. And yet they run far better and last longer. And are much more dependable and trouble free overall. And why? Because modern computer controlled manufacturing and assembly, along with manufacturing programs like ISO-9000 and Six Sigma have been implimented. All to catch and fix potential problems BEFORE they reach the consumer.

The end result is a better, longer lasting, more trouble free product. And remember, auto makers introduce dozens of new models every single year. Consumers are not afforded the "luxury" of waiting until 2022, to buy a new 2020 model. So they can, "get all the bugs out of it". Or else, "Let someone else be the Guinea Pig".

I purchased 2 brand new vehicles the very first month they were introduced. A new 2015, and more recently a new 2018. Both have NEVER been back to the dealer. Not once. Everything on them works the way it is supposed to. Not one single problem, in 2 new vehicles from different manufacturers, over a 5 year period. And they're both used every single day. Sometimes several times a day.

Not only that, the warranties are all better and longer. In the 60's if your car lasted 100,000 miles, you bragged about it at the bar. Now you don't change the spark plugs or coolant until then.

Now, look at the gun industry. It's the exact opposite. Back in the 50's and 60's firearm recalls were all but non existent. Guns ran properly when you bought them. Today it's the reverse. It's one recall after another. To fix one problem after another. The gun won't feed right. Or else it's unsafe, and could fire accidentally if dropped. Or it jams constantly. Or else it could fire if you remove the safety. And on and on with an endless stream of problems.

And yet these exact same advanced manufacturing methods, standards, and machinery are being employed as much in the firearm industry today, as they are in the auto industry.
And before someone starts clamoring on about how they, "got a bad car", tell me this. How many parts are in a new vehicle that all have to work right, compared to a damn revolver?

But the sad fact is the exact opposite has happened. Today's guns have gotten WORSE. Much worse. And the true tragedy is, we as consumers not only tolerate it..... We make excuses for it. "Oh well, S*#T happens!", is now the new norm. And some are even dumb enough to be B.S.'d into thinking they're, "better"!
 
Consumers are not afforded the "luxury" of waiting until 2022, to buy a new 2020 model. So they can, "get all the bugs out of it". Or else, "Let someone else be the Guinea Pig".
Don't know anyone in the auto industry, eh?
Back in the 50's and 60's firearm recalls were all but non existent. Guns ran properly when you bought them.
Must be why there were so many people making a living as gunsmiths back then, eh? As opposed to nowadays …
Today's guns have gotten WORSE. Much worse.
You should probably stop before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.
Someone has already exceeded the allotted curmudgeon factor for one thread.
 
Yes, they are pretty. And I think that is what they were really trying to capture with this new one. Everything else about the gun is pretty much run of the mill. I only wish for that price, they would have gone to the high polished Stainless Steel finish. Instead of the, "Semi-Bright", finish Colt describes them as. (At least that's how Davidson's lists the finish).

One thing I have to give Colt credit for, is they know how to polish Stainless Steel. They're at least as good as Ruger is at it. The high polished Stainless Steel Ruger Vaquero's are stunningly beautiful. High polished Stainless has sent Nickel plating the way of the mechanical watch movement, :D
You don't seem to know as much about polishing as you do watches or anything else. The new Python is very expertly polished. On polishing wheels. Much better than many originals, which often look like they've been mashed against the buffer by an angry 700lb gorilla with a toothache. Ruger polishes Vaqueros in a friggin' tumbler.

Rant much??? Question, is there anything you are NOT jaded about? I haven't seen such broad sweeping negativity and cynicism in a long time. New cars? Should I share my six month horror story?

Don't have any Rolexes but I have watches from TAG-Heuer, Breitling and Hamilton. Had no idea they were such "outdated junk". By this logic, aren't revolvers outdated junk too? Sorry but there are so many contradictions in your rants it's difficult to keep track of them all.
 
I’d rather pay less and have good CS as a backup. The one time I had to use Colt’s it was very good.

I am the opposite when it comes to quality, I will willingly pay for top quality materials and workmanship/QC up front.

I absolutely despise guns that don’t work and need to be sent back. Plus in order for me to ship a firearm I get to burn an entire day driving to a larger city that has a FedEx or UPS that will accept firearms. That means taking off from work and missing a trip, and that means losing $660.00 minimum for me if I got no overtime, held away pay, side trips, or other penalty claims.

I also want a good customer service experience in the rare event I need to use it, but my strong preference is not needing to.
 
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