Pregnant Woman Stops Armed Home Intruders with AR15

[AlexanderA]

What "quasi-criminal lifestyle" were the Petits living?

Bad things can happen through no fault of our own, such as being struck by lightning or being a passenger on the Titanic. But these "black swan" events are not a rational basis for assessing the risks in our everyday lives.

Home invasions are exceedingly rare events, unless you are involved in drug dealing, running a brothel or a gambling den in your home, flashing money around, etc. Ordinary middle class people have about the same chance of being victimized by a home invasion as they do of being hit by an asteroid. And when it does happen, it makes the news precisely because it is so rare.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Yes, that could be a motive. In my case, that would be virtually the only motive for someone to break into my home. All the more reason not to let it be known widely that you have guns.

Most home invasions are for obvious things like drug turf wars, etc. If you live a quasi-criminal lifestyle, you can expect to become a victim of crime yourself.

The only motive somebody would have to break into your home would be for guns? Are you sure? After all, people break into homes all the time hoping to score something of value. They don't necessarily know what is inside the home. Somebody driving by your home likely figures you have a car, cell phone (probably a smart phone) 1 or more TVs, some cash, some jewelry, and if they get lucky, you have some other things of value.

Bad things can happen through no fault of our own, such as being struck by lightning or being a passenger on the Titanic. But these "black swan" events are not a rational basis for assessing the risks in our everyday lives.

Home invasions are exceedingly rare events, unless you are involved in drug dealing, running a brothel or a gambling den in your home, flashing money around, etc. Ordinary middle class people have about the same chance of being victimized by a home invasion as they do of being hit by an asteroid. And when it does happen, it makes the news precisely because it is so rare.

Hyperbole much? And why are you only mentioning the middle class? Are you aware of the number of rapes that occur with home invasions? These are not your typical drug dealing, brothel running, gambling den rapes either. These are your typical homeowner, renter, college student rapes, adolescent occupant spanning in age from pre-teen to 88 year old grandmothers. This happened in my old stomping grounds, nice, middle class neighborhood. https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/10/09/dallas-police-arrest-88-year-old-assaulted-home-invasion/
Here is a 7 year old example...https://fox8.com/2019/09/16/attack-on-7-year-old-may-be-linked-to-cleveland-home-invasion-and-rape/

No, home invasions outside of what you mention are not in the neighborhood of the chances of being struck by an asteroid.

 

[AlexanderA]

Don't fall into the trap of blaming the victim. In a high-crime area, ANYONE can be the victim of a home invasion.

True. The solution is simple: don't live in a high-crime area. We do have control over where we choose to live. And it's not necessarily a matter of economics.

Getting targeted isn't that hard. Like the lady said above. Take a little pride in your home, have a nice clean, well maintained home and yard. Have a decent car that you take care of. Wear decent clothes when you're out, have a nice pleasant family that is well mannered and polite in public.

All this signals to the orcs is that you have money, you care about your family and you'd give all you have to keep them safe.

What you're saying is that the victim draws attention to himself by having a better or more well-maintained home that's inconsistent with the rest of the neighborhood. I say that that's not a sign of virtue, but of stupidity. You should never allow yourself to stand out. If you want a nice house, move to a better neighborhood.

 

[ATLDave]

What you're saying is that the victim draws attention to himself by having a better or more well-maintained home that's inconsistent with the rest of the neighborhood. I say that that's not a sign of virtue, but of stupidity. You should never allow yourself to stand out. If you want a nice house, move to a better neighborhood.

??? When you're deliberately living in squalor because you're hoping the criminals won't notice you, the criminals have already won.

 

[BSA1]

Home invasions are exceedingly rare events, unless you are involved in drug dealing, running a brothel or a gambling den in your home, flashing money around, etc. Ordinary middle class people have about the same chance of being victimized by a home invasion as they do of being hit by an asteroid. And when it does happen, it makes the news precisely because it is so rare.

What is your source of information for that claim?

Maybe it doesn’t make the NATIONAL news because it does not fit into the media’s anti-gun position.

The NRA has a column in every months issue of their magazine reporting citizens legal use of a firearm to defend themselves and others.

Oh I forgot. You are anti-NRA.

Well perhaps you are uncomfortable with residents using a gun to defend themselves and loved ones?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Maybe it doesn’t make the NATIONAL news because it does not fit into the media’s anti-gun position.

Sorry, but that is a ridiculous assumption. Home invasions typically don't make the NATIONAL news because they are nothing but isolated local events. The NATIONAL news does not have room or time to run every single crime event across the country. It has nothing to do with being anti-gun and everything to do with marketing. Your regular home invasion isn't newsworthy outside of the local market, plain and simple. Nobody in Fargo, North Dakota really cares one iota some punk kids broke in to Imogene Fosters 1972 ranch style single story house in West Virginia while she was watching the Nationals on TV, stealing her medications, money, and 2007 Buick Regal, scaring the heck out of the geriatric resident. Unless Imogene has friends or relatives in Fargo, there is really no reason for the story to get picked up, is there. What about that story is NATIONAL newsworthy?

Funny how this story, that OBVIOUSLY would not fit an anti-gun agenda, made the NATIONAL news. This has PRO GUN written all over it. A fricking 8 month pregnant woman saved her husband and child with TWO armed home invaders AFTER they shot at her and she used a black rifle, an AR15 to do it and the NATIONAL media is all over the story.

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Take that Beto

 

[old lady new shooter]

Sorry, but that is a ridiculous assumption. Home invasions typically don't make the NATIONAL news because they are nothing but isolated local events. The NATIONAL news does not have room or time to run every single crime event across the country. It has nothing to do with being anti-gun and everything to do with marketing. Your regular home invasion isn't newsworthy outside of the local market, plain and simple. Nobody in Fargo, North Dakota really cares one iota some punk kids broke in to Imogene Fosters 1972 ranch style single story house in West Virginia while she was watching the Nationals on TV, stealing her medications, money, and 2007 Buick Regal, scaring the heck out of the geriatric resident. Unless Imogene has friends or relatives in Fargo, there is really no reason for the story to get picked up, is there. What about that story is NATIONAL newsworthy?

Funny how this story, that OBVIOUSLY would not fit an anti-gun agenda, made the NATIONAL news. This has PRO GUN written all over it. A fricking 8 month pregnant woman saved her husband and child with TWO armed home invaders AFTER they shot at her and she used a black rifle, an AR15 to do it and the NATIONAL media is all over the story.

Fox and NYPost are not the anti-gun MSM. Of the links you posted only NBC qualifies.

 

[old lady new shooter]

True. The solution is simple: don't live in a high-crime area. We do have control over where we choose to live. And it's not necessarily a matter of economics.

I did move. I was able to do that because I don't have a job to worry about replacing, kids who shouldn't be uprooted from their school, or elderly disabled parents who shouldn't be moved. However, moving is EXPENSIVE. The move itself costs, the selling costs on the house you move from are a LOT of money, especially in Cali where the government gets into the act with many fees etc completely apart from taxing any gain you may have, then you have buying expenses for the new house plus usually you have to make improvements to it that aren't free either. Maybe you have unlimited funds but most people don't.

 

[Deanimator]

Ordinary middle class people have about the same chance of being victimized by a home invasion as they do of being hit by an asteroid.

So if you're poor, you had it coming?

 

[Tinman357]

ALEXANDERA: No. I'm not saying that the victims draw attention to themselves. I was more or less stating that anyone, at anytime can be targeted for a home invasion. Or any other crime for that matter. Criminals travel too. No neighborhood is immune to crime, no place is.

I was just saying that it isn't hard to get a criminals attention. Thats all.

After reading this entire thread again, its very obvious what I meant. Somebody is being deliberately obtuse just to entertain himself with the reactions.

Back on topic. Bravo to that lady in Florida. She stood up to these thugs and took out the trash. Wonder what all the anti's think now. We do need ALL of our 2nd amendment rights, and this is the exact reason why. Stop disarming the public that are the targets of these thugs.

Your laws don't work.

 

[Deanimator]

True. The solution is simple: don't live in a high-crime area.

It's generous of you to offer to subsidize poor people moving to better neighborhoods...

 

[old lady new shooter]

Bad things can happen through no fault of our own, such as being struck by lightning or being a passenger on the Titanic. But these "black swan" events are not a rational basis for assessing the risks in our everyday lives.

Home invasions are exceedingly rare events, unless you are involved in drug dealing, running a brothel or a gambling den in your home, flashing money around, etc. Ordinary middle class people have about the same chance of being victimized by a home invasion as they do of being hit by an asteroid. And when it does happen, it makes the news precisely because it is so rare.

In my thankfully former neighborhood, a typical month saw 6 robberies within a mile of my house. (Also 6 assaults and 1 rape, but we're talking about home invasions here.) The families victimized were not leading lives of crime or any other of your assumptions. My house was a modest bungalow on a big street, but a block back in the strictly residential neighborhood the houses go for over a million $. The neighborhood was not like that when the residents originally moved in. Crime skyrocketed in tandem with the homeless issue. I'm happy for you that you don't live in such a place but don't slander people who do.

 

[AlexanderA]

??? When you're deliberately living in squalor because you're hoping the criminals won't notice you, the criminals have already won.

Appearance can be used as a weapon. You don't actually have to live in squalor, but if you can seem to be living in squalor, it might sometimes be to your advantage. Be the "gray man" and blend into your surroundings.

I know regular gun show attendees who don't shave or shower for 3 days before a gun show, and dress like street bums for the event. By giving off the vibe that they don't have money, they say, they can more easily bargain sellers down on price. Seems to work for them.

BTW, there was a recent thread in the "Rifle Country" subforum about "urban camouflage." This is the true urban camouflage.

Somebody driving by your home likely figures you have a car, cell phone (probably a smart phone) 1 or more TVs, some cash, some jewelry, and if they get lucky, you have some other things of value.

There's the old story about two guys confronting a bear in the forest. The survivor doesn't have to be fast enough to outrun the bear. All he has to be is faster than the other guy. You are competing with your neighbors for the attention of the burglar. If your house appears less prosperous, and also a tougher nut to crack, than those of your neighbors, the burglar will pass you up and go to more promising targets.

All the houses in my neighborhood were built with glass panels alongside the front doors. That's a ridiculous security lapse. (Not only is the glass easy to break, but the burglar can see into the house and determine if anyone is there.) The first week I was there, I replaced my glass panels with 3/4" plywood. Of course that's not perfectly secure either, but it's a lot more secure than my neighbors. If you were a burglar, which house would you break into?

 

[bdickens]

....Most home invasions are for obvious things like drug turf wars, etc. If you live a quasi-criminal lifestyle, you can expect to become a victim of crime yourself.

So, is your solution for rape to stone the poor woman to death for adultery?

What a crock of ....

 

[AlexanderA]

So if you're poor, you had it coming?

If you are truly poor, what does a burglar have to gain by victimizing you? He'll likely go on to more lucrative targets.

 

[larryh1108]

AlexanderA has gone completely off the charts.
So often he is the voice of wisdom but here he sounds like he is above anyone who is unlucky enough to have a home invasion.
I think he should subsidize any person who wishes to move to his neighborhood but has no money to do it.
We all should be so lucky to have AA's wisdom and money.

 

[larryh1108]

If you are truly poor, what does a burglar have to gain by victimizing you? He'll likely go on to more lucrative targets.

Wow, just wow.
Amazing statement.
Proves my point.

 

[bdickens]

Blaming the victim is just revolting.

 

[AlexanderA]

So, is your solution for rape to stone the poor woman to death for adultery?

Where do you get that from anything that I wrote?

 

[bdickens]

Where do you get that from anything that I wrote?

From your sanctimonious blame-the-victim mentality, that's where.


It's disgusting and it makes me sick.

 

[larryh1108]

What you wrote?
You wrote that if you are dumb enough to live in a bad neighborhood, you deserve to get robbed.
You said they should move to a better neighborhood.
You then stated that criminals have no use for those poor houses and they move to better areas for better pickings.
So, what is it? Move from a bad neighborhood to get away from crime or move to a better neighborhood where the
criminals will go for better loot?

 

[alsaqr]

"Things like this don't happen completely out of the blue."

Wrong!!!

To assume that homes are only invaded for a "reason" is to assume that home invaders are rational people. Home invaders are not rational people, they are irrational violent criminals.

Nearly every time a violent home invasion is posted on a board there is someone who imagines the home was invaded for dope.

 

[Deanimator]

If you are truly poor, what does a burglar have to gain by victimizing you? He'll likely go on to more lucrative targets.

How does he know what you have... until he ties your kid to a chair and tortures her in front of you to find out?

 

[boom boom]

For those that want to look up home invasions, the Gun Violence Archive does have staffers collect the relevant information about these assaults from July 29, 2019 up to Nov. 4, 2019. I suspect that their funding is from Bloomberg and others but the information collected seems to be valid sources. This source also follows the mass shootings definition as all shootings that had four or more injured.

From the derived GPS base reporting interactive map of the areas of the state that I am familiar with, the home invasions do not seem to fit the traditional definition of high crime ridden areas but instead are in the suburbs and gentrified areas of the city. This makes sense if the targets are money, guns, etc. Now, these include all varieties of home invasions and the database indicates whether the victim used a firearm defensively to repel the assault.

They also have interactive maps of other incidents.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps