Private sale, or off paper gun sales?

[content]

Hello friends and neighbors // +1 post #4

I think it is fine if your knowledge is up to it. I take a magnifer, flashlight and a friend if possible.

As for stolen // I usually tell seller I am registering firearm. Only had one guy pull back a Ruger Blackhawk. So I bought a Redhawk from another guy them 4years later sold it to a different guy to fund car transmission grr.

But yes its done all the time. Bill of sale is a good idea. Ask to check sellers I.D. too, if they balk ....well there you go .

 

[22-rimfire]

Under the government radar???? I felt that way for a few years, but I don't particularly worry about it any more. I prefer to buy from a gunshop/FFL dealer. If the government ever required registration, I'd have to think about what I wanted known about the private sale pieces. I'd be afraid to shoot them if I declined to register them, so more than likely I would have them documented. So far, registration has not ever been an issue in any state I've lived in.

 

[daorhgih]

DMK, quote: " OK, so say the govt decides to confiscate everyone's guns. They come get your guns that are recorded in the gun shop's bound books. But you still have a couple undocumented private purchases. Now what? You are now armed with an illegal weapon. You can't shoot it at the range. Even if you defended yourself with it, you'd be going to jail for the felony weapons charge." You have hit the Second Amendment's whole purpose in the Constitution! "They" come get your guns!?!?!? Not at my house they can't. But I do have bill of sale with a signature that matches driver's license. (To MacDonald: U shd prolly lrn 2 txt.)

 

[Buck Nekkid]

I really liked to buy FTF when I lived in Las Vegas, why? To avoid the mandatory handgun registration in that fair city. What they don't know, they can't take

 

[alfack]

It works out perfect if you just stole a gun and want to convert it to cash or, if you are a convicted felon/illegal alien looking to get your shoot on.

I'd rather be sure that the gun I am buying is not stolen, or the gun I am selling is not going to someone that can't legally own one.

Every time I see a request for "FTF only" or "how much is this gun worth?" The first thing that goes through my mind is you are a convicted felon or you stole something and are trying to figure out how much your loot is worth. Believe me, I am not a fan of the government at all, but I despise low life crooks even more.

 

[22-rimfire]

I don't mind buying FTF. I do it at shows and other places from time to time. It is just not a priority with me. If a dealer had the gun I want, I buy it. If an individual has the gun I want, then I buy it. I keep track of where guns were purchased, whether a 4473 was completed, and if possible the individual's name in a FTF purchase or sale. I do that for ME, not out of some deep concern that I'm going to loose my firearms through govt confiscation. If confiscation happened, I'd find a way to buy the firearms I needed. The sad part is I'd be a criminal then and that is not my style.

 

[fattboyzz]

dont matter that much to me either way .......ftf cash/trade or goin thru an ffl .....

but private transactions have made some good friends I otherwise never would have had !

 

[oneounceload]

Hmmm, unconfuse me -

Can anyone quote me chapter and verse in either

Federal or State Law that requires

1.) The intervention of a licensed gun dealer in a private party sale, other
than sending through the mail, and

2.) The required registration of any and all guns in your posession?


just curious

isher

There are several states that require this - do a search on here, TFL and other sites

 

[22-rimfire]

Pennsylvania requires this for handguns. There are exceptions for certain family members. I don't have the legal reference but most private sales have to go through a FFL dealer. Make your deal and go to FFL dealer to complete the transfer. Maryland has this requirement as well as I recall.

 

[craZ4Gunz]

FTF sales

MD private sales can be done through either a FFL or the MSP (State Police).
MSP is usually cheaper. The 4473 paperwork has to be done regardless.

 

[pwatts2]

private sales

When considering a private sale is there any way a private citizen can check serial #'s to insure the gun in question is legit?

 

[M2 Carbine]

This usually comes up in these FTF sales threads.

So what happens if you filled out the 4473 form and later sell the gun FTF, then it is used in a killing?

The answer, nothing.

Years ago I bought a new gun and filled out the 4473. Later I sold it FTF.

A couple years later a Police Detective called me and told me "my' gun was used in a killing. He didn't say if the person needed killing or not.

I said, "It wasn't me. I (legally) sold the gun a couple years ago and I have no idea where the gun is".
He said, "OK".

Now if you are a dope dealer or some other kind of shady character the conversation might go differently but then I doubt if you could buy a gun from a FFL dealer anyhow.

 

[huntsman]

This usually comes up in these FTF sales threads.

So what happens if you filled out the 4473 form and later sell the gun FTF, then it is used in a killing?

The answer, nothing.

Years ago I bought a new gun and filled out the 4473. Later I sold it FTF.

A couple years later a Police Detective called me and told me "my' gun was used in a killing. He didn't say if the person needed killing or not.

I said, "It wasn't me. I (legally) sold the gun a couple years ago and I have no idea where the gun is".
He said, "OK".

Now if you are a dope dealer or some other kind of shady character the conversation might go differently but then I doubt if you could buy a gun from a FFL dealer anyhow.

yep but the paper trail worked because they traced the gun back to you.

 

[wilkersk]

Good deals to be had, as previously posted. Just make sure you can trust the seller. There are several websites you can check serial numbers for possibly stolen firearms.
Make sure you are familiar with the firearm you're buying off paper.

If you don't know how to check a weapon for proper function,you could be buying someone elses POS (Piece of SORRYGOODFORNOTHINGJUNK) -And you thought I was using naughty words again!

 

[dieselkanic]

It works out perfect if you just stole a gun and want to convert it to cash or, if you are a convicted felon/illegal alien looking to get your shoot on.

I'd rather be sure that the gun I am buying is not stolen, or the gun I am selling is not going to someone that can't legally own one.

Every time I see a request for "FTF only" or "how much is this gun worth?" The first thing that goes through my mind is you are a convicted felon or you stole something and are trying to figure out how much your loot is worth. Believe me, I am not a fan of the government at all, but I despise low life crooks even more.

I really think you are making a rather large leap to reach such a conclusion.

I know a number of upstanding law abiding people who prefer to buy guns with no paper trail.

The government is NOT your friend.

JMHO

 

[shibbykins]

sorry to bring this back up.

So since FTF is so popular then im guessing there is not federal law that says you HAVE to register your handguns? or am I mistaken?

 

[paul]

That's correct, Shibby...
There is currently no federal firearms register.

I, pesonally, prefer FTF.

And I am a stickler for following every little itty-bitty part of the laws here in your state.

If I KNOW that you are prohibited, I don't sell to you.

Of course, if I don't know a damned thing about you, I am following the law, to the letter, if I sell you a firearm.
p

 

[cleetus03]

Many of my friends prefer to buy their guns though a private sale, or off paper. Is there any benefit in doing this?

Yeah there is.........The feeling of being a Red-Blooded Free American Man!

FTF sales eliminate the BS bureaucratic legal process completely and are one of the greatest gun freedoms we Americans have!

p.s.

Other than allowing a Private seller to glance at my driver license to make sure I'm a resident of the state.........If a FTF seller ever required me to record/sign any information about me in regard to the transaction. (just to make him feel good) I'd politely give him a lecture on what Private Sales mean to me as an American & walk away.

If I want to sign some BS paper trail, Its going to be done solely for a gun bought from a dealer. To each his own.

 

[shibbykins]

thank you paul. i was involved in a casual debate the other night about this with a buddy of mine. he couldnt find said regulation

 

[Werewolf]

yep but the paper trail worked because they traced the gun back to you.

No. It did not.

IF the intent is to catch a criminal with a trace then it failed. The trail stopped at the last recorded legal owner as it almost always does. Cold. This is why gun registration is bogus and nothing more than a way for govt to wield power over its citizens and make a few sheep feel safe.

 

[huntsman]

No. It did not.

IF the intent is to catch a criminal with a trace then it failed. The trail stopped at the last recorded legal owner as it almost always does. Cold. This is why gun registration is bogus and nothing more than a way for govt to wield power over its citizens and make a few sheep feel safe.

But what you don't know is if they checked you out, the call could have been just the start of their investigation of you.

 

[JWF III]

The trail stopped at the last recorded legal owner as it almost always does.

No. It stopped at the last person that bought it from a FFL. Actually that's not completely true. If the person you sold it to, traded/sold it to an FFL, but couldn't remember the FFL name, it's still the end of the paper trail. Many legal owners could have owned that gun after you.

Believe me, I am not a fan of the government at all, but I despise low life crooks even more.

I didn't know there was a difference.

Wyman

 

[thorazine]

Is there any benefit in doing this? It seems like the prices are not such a good deal compaired to just buying a brand new gun at a store.

My experience is just the opposite.

Gun store = high priced.

Private party = nicely priced.

 

[jcwit]

Why all the threads about buying guns with no paper work all of a sudden?

We getting set up for something?

 

[DammitBoy]

It works out perfect if you just stole a gun and want to convert it to cash or, if you are a convicted felon/illegal alien looking to get your shoot on.

I'd rather be sure that the gun I am buying is not stolen, or the gun I am selling is not going to someone that can't legally own one.

Every time I see a request for "FTF only" or "how much is this gun worth?" The first thing that goes through my mind is you are a convicted felon or you stole something and are trying to figure out how much your loot is worth.

I know hundreds of law abiding citizens who prefer FTF sales. You assume way too much.