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It just happens, no real rhyme or reason as to why usually. I've gotten denied the day after renewing my CCW permit, which also runs a NCIS check.
 
I get delayed every time now. I have to drive 30 miles round trip to the only FFL in my county, so it is a pain.

I have a CCW, former law enforcement, former military with a Secret clearance, and currently ITAR certified due to my work in corporate security. And I'm a nice guy...

No idea why the feds hate me...
 
Not in academy’s case. They have there own rules by which they go by and it’s more strict then other
Places.
Academy has to abide by the same ATF regulations as any other licensed dealer, as well as abiding by the laws of the state where that particular Academy store is located.
Academy may have business practices that are more strict than ATF regulations....such as not transferring a firearm to a buyer who received a "delay" after three business days. The Brady Law does not prohibit such a transfer, but does not require it either.

If your dealer (or Academy, Cabelas, etc) has more stringent restrictions and business policies than required under Federal or state law......then simply don't buy guns from them.
 
I get delayed every time now......former law enforcement, former military with a Secret clearance, and currently ITAR certified due to my work in corporate security....
None of which is a part of the NICS system. It is solely a name and descriptive information search.
I have a CURRENT local police officer who gets delayed.
 
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I typically don't share a lot of personal details on THR that aren't directly gun related but I think this info would be helpful to a lot of folks.

There are a great many federal government departments, and within those departments there are different agencies. I happen to work for the federal government in an agency that is completely unattached to NICS and the BATFE.

In my agency for the first three years of service, you earn 4 hours of annual leave (paid vacation) every pay period. Between years 3 and 15, you earn 6 hours of leave every pay period. And once you hit 15 years of service you earn 8 hours every pay period.

A pay period is two weeks long, and there are 26 pay periods in a year. So simple math.

4x26=104 hours/8 hours = 13 days
6x26=156 hours/8 hours = 19.5 days
8x26=208 hours/8 hours = 26 days

Additionally you can earn credit hours up to 24 max and some people get comp time in leu of overtime which is used as additional vacation time.

We can only carry over a max of 240 annual leave hours from one calendar year to the next.

If a person works for a busy office as I do, you'd be amazed at how hard it can be to use up that leave. It's normal for people to hit the end of the year and in November they have 300+ hours of leave stored because they can't get away from their work without it falling apart or they just can't afford a vacation and would rather just be at work than staying home. So if they don't use their leave and finish the year with more than 240 hours, they lose that vacation time. It just goes away. It's not a bad problem to have though so I'm certainly not complaining.

Their is a program to donate that leave to other employees who are going through major health problems like cancer treatments, and have used up most of their vacation and sick leave, but most people don't like giving it up.

There are also several federal holidays throughout the year and logically people tend to take Black Friday off so they get a 4 day weekend. I actually like working Black Friday because it's nice and quiet and I can focus on my work instead of the constant interruptions that come with my particular job.

If the employees of NICS have even a similar leave system as the agency I work for then they are undoubtedly short staffed this time of year due to "use or lose". November and December become very difficult times of year to get things done in federal offices due simply to this factor. We are teams, and when members of those teams are gone, especially members with very specific authority per the Code of Federal Regulations, things can come to a stand still. It's the terms of employment for many Feds. I'm in the 6 hour category for one more year and try to maintain at least 160 hours of leave at all times in case some tragedy happens I need to deal with, but I'm usually closer to 200 hours on tap. When I hit the 8 hour category in another year, I really don't know how I'm going to use it all up and not get behind on my work. I expect to be donating some in the future. Again, I'm not complaining.

If you try to purchase a gun during the later months of the year, and it's associated with a commercialized mass sales event like Black Friday or Cyber Monday, expect the NICS system to be inundated, and under staffed. It's likely caused at least in part to the things I've shared here.

The government has been very concerned about cyber security and they should be. In the last four or five years there have been multiple data breeches and hacks where federal employees bank account numbers, home addresses, and SSNs have been stollen by criminals and foreign governments. Just about the time you really learn a government computer system and software package, they have to completely redesign it to ensure security. This creates a constant learning curve that is hard to overcome to say the least. OJT tends to be lacking in my agency also due to the work load.

The hiring system in my agency is also totally broken. We can only hire 2 or 3 times a year and if you don't get a job filled during one of the hiring windows you wait months to even try again. My office had a key position vacant for over two years due to this issue.

And finally, keep in mind that we tend to be conservative voters here in THR. Conservatives believe in small government in many areas and when we have a strictly conservative president, house, and senate, funding for many government agencies gets scrutinized and often reduced. Agendas change with each administration change and those things directly impact all federal employees. Continuing budget resolutions also make things very interesting.

Im not trying to specifically defend Feds or disparage the system. I'm just sharing my bit of insider viewpoint in what may contribute to these types of purchase delays, particularly late in the calendar year.

If I buy a gun in November or December, especially during the Obama years, I expect a delay. It's irritating and inconvenient, but not unexpected in my mind. There are many factors impacting that work that are totally outside the control of the people actually doing the work.

Interestingly enough, I am given two paid 15 minute breaks per day. I and many tend not to take them, but instead take micro breaks throughout the day. 5 minutes here and there can really help you realign your focus. Some employees do actually take a coffee break together, and I used to with a number of friends who are now retired. It's entirely possible the quoted post is exactly what happened.[/QUOTE

Thanks for the education on how your agency works.

I was mostly joking in my post although I have to say I have had a couple of times when no one in the agency I was dealing with cared about how quickly they handled my situation or even if it was handled at all. Otherwise what little interaction I have with government agencies has been pretty professional. On a side note I bought a gun in November on a Saturday afternoon. The background check was done by computer and took about a minute to get an OK back but I have never been delayed or even had to wait any length of time since the background check went into effect.
 
I’m doing a NICS tomorrow. I have never done a NICS this time of year (that I remember anyways) and I hope it goes smooth. I haven’t used this FFL before and he charges more than others in my area, but he is also open later and near my home. I’m willing to throw out an extra few bucks for convenience if it works out. If not, I’m going back to the pretty girl at the shop near where I work. Cheap, almost as convenient, and really pleasant. This thread has me nervous about being denied, not that I meet criteria for a denial, I just get aggravated when something I already paid for is arbitrarily kept away from me.
 
Another reason is "multiple single item purchases." I bought a half dozen AR lowers before the 2016 election. On the last one I sat in the 4473 chair for 2 hours while at least a dozen folks bought rifles/lowers and were on their way. Never got a reason from the vendor. Joe
 
I don't get it....My brother is a retired vet and lifelong shooter. He's purchased dozens of guns...rifles, shotguns and pistols; never had a delay...until 4-5 years ago. Now, every time he buys a gun, he gets hit with a 3-day delay. And of course you never know why. I've purchased similar numbers of guns in the last 10-15 years and have never had a delay. Go figure. About the only difference is he's a vet and I'm not.
 
Another reason is "multiple single item purchases." I bought a half dozen AR lowers before the 2016 election. On the last one I sat in the 4473 chair for 2 hours while at least a dozen folks bought rifles/lowers and were on their way. Joe
Wrong. Where do ya'll get this stuff?o_O
NICS is never told how many firearms are being bought or transferred. They don't get any information other than the TYPE of firearm(hand gun/long gun/other)......in your case the dealer would have indicated "Other". You can buy a thousand firearms on that 4473 and NICS will only be told your name and descriptive information and the TYPE of firearm.

NICS is for background checks on the buyer and has nothing to do with the firearm registration.


Never got a reason from the vendor.
And you never will. FBI NICS is prohibited from telling the dealer the reason for a delay or denial.
 
Sometimes NICS don’t even know why, many of times when I would call back to check the status of one the girl would says I don’t know why they didn’t give you a proceed the first time. Maybe some agent just got lazy.
 
Sometimes NICS don’t even know why, many of times when I would call back to check the status of one the girl would says I don’t know why they didn’t give you a proceed the first time. Maybe some agent just got lazy.
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NICS will NEVER tell the dealer the reason for a delay or denial, due the Federal Privacy Act of 1974.
If you are calling back....you aren't talking to FBI NICS. FBI NICS has prohibited dealers from calling to check on status updates for several years.
 
Wrong wrong wrong I’m not sure where you get that s information but you CAN call nics back and check a status. Have done it countless times
 
Whether or not the number of firearms being purchased is entered in depends on your state. Here in Tennessee the FFL has to enter in gun type and serial number for every firearm purchased even if it is in the same transaction. It always confused me how some people online were so adamant that the serial number isn't entered even though I knew for a fact it was until learning that it differs state by state.
 
Wrong wrong wrong I’m not sure where you get that s information but you CAN call nics back and check a status. Have done it countless times
Uhhhh…...FBI NICS.
They will refer you to NICS Customer Service where you will be told that you are not to call for NICS status updates, but to use NICS E check.
 
Whether or not the number of firearms being purchased is entered in depends on your state. Here in Tennessee the FFL has to enter in gun type and serial number for every firearm purchased even if it is in the same transaction. It always confused me how some people online were so adamant that the serial number isn't entered even though I knew for a fact it was until learning that it differs state by state.
They are "so adamant" because Tennessee uses TICS, not FBI NICS, as the point of contact.
For the billionth time, FBI NICS doesn't care one whit about the serial# of the firearm because it isn't a gun registration program, but a buyer background check program.
 
I get delayed every time now. I have to drive 30 miles round trip to the only FFL in my county, so it is a pain.

I have a CCW, former law enforcement, former military with a Secret clearance, and currently ITAR certified due to my work in corporate security. And I'm a nice guy...

No idea why the feds hate me...

I'm guessing that a search of your name turns up numerous responses due to your background , triggering further scrutiny thus a delay ...?
 
I'm guessing that a search of your name turns up numerous responses due to your background , triggering further scrutiny thus a delay ...?
His background ( CCW, former law enforcement, former military with a Secret clearance, and currently ITAR certified) has absolutely ZERO, NOTHING, NADA, ZIPPTYDOODAH to do with an FBI NICS background check.

The NICS check is strictly a name and descriptive information search. It's not a check on CCW status, your former or current employment, military service or secret clearances. Those have nothing to do with anything. If your name is identical or even similar to that of a prohibited person, you can expect multiple records to be returned to NICS during the check. The call or online echeck will be forwarded to an FBI Legal Documents Examiner who will compare the records of the buyer vs those of the prohibited persons whose records also appeared. The examiner will then issue a proceed/delay/denied status. If "delayed", then the Brady Law does not prohibit the transfer after three business days, beginning the next business day. The NICS will use those three business days to conduct additional research on the buyer.

That people keep repeating the same incorrect information (muh Uber Top Secret Clearance, Seal Team 6, CHL/CCW/LTC/etc, former or current police officer. etc is what causes my delay) shows a complete and wholly ignorant understanding of how NICS works and what the NICS background check uses. Anyone that wants can read the same information I posted by merely going to the FBI NICS website and spending a few minutes. https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics

Being ignorant of what NICS is, does and how the process works means your posts will mislead members of the forum. That ain't right.:(
 
Being ignorant of what NICS is, does and how the process works means your posts will mislead members of the forum. That ain't right

Mr Dogtown --- If you reread my post , punctuation included , you will see that I did not make my statement in the context of fact ; it was speculation.
I yield completely to your apparent expertise in the subject of this thread. You are the master of the subject. Sorry for adding a comment. Sorry for rocking your boat. You Win.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
 
Mr Dogtown --- If you reread my post , punctuation included , you will see that I did not make my statement in the context of fact ; it was speculation.
Call it speculation, guessing, opinion, a hunch, or conjecture...…..by any name it doesn't do the forum a service, but a disservice. The reasons for a delay are not a secret and the only reason to speculate is because you haven't bothered to Google.



I yield completely to your apparent expertise in the subject of this thread. You are the master of the subject. Sorry for adding a comment. Sorry for rocking your boat. You Win.
It's not about expertise or subject mastery, but about having spent a few minutes reading at fbi.gov. Do that and you won't need to speculate.;)



ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
If you don't like public response to your comment then why post on a public forum? o_O
 
Years ago I learned there was some one with the same exact name,,just over there in Wisconsin,,,maybe they passed on by now. At that time they were a pretty seasoned criminal,,, had quite a record., even some jail time..Their record got mixed up with my just once and a totally non-gun related issue,
Yet, I have never been delayed on a gun purchas, and my guy still uses paper and the phone....
I can’t explain it,, maybe you can??????
 
In SC we don't have a background check if you have a CC Permit, and even before I had a permit, I was never delayed. I did witness a weird thing at a Gun Show about a year ago. I watched a gentleman buy 2 guns from 2 different vendors that were side by side and both his checks went through immediately. About an hour later, I was having a check done at a 3rd dealer and this same guy bought a gun and was sitting right beside me and got denied (not delayed) about an hour after he had been approved twice! I was told by the dealer, that it was all worked out the next week, but what a hassle.
 
Years ago I learned there was some one with the same exact name,,just over there in Wisconsin,,,maybe they passed on by now. At that time they were a pretty seasoned criminal,,, had quite a record., even some jail time..Their record got mixed up with my just once and a totally non-gun related issue,
Yet, I have never been delayed on a gun purchas, and my guy still uses paper and the phone....
I can’t explain it,, maybe you can??????
While he may have the exact same name, his descriptive information may not be anything close to yours.
Place of birth, height, weight, sex, birthdate, ethnicity, race would need to be nearly identical to cause you a delay. This is also the reason that listing your Social Security Number is helpful.
 
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