Red Ryder Power 
Red Ryder Power 
Red Ryder Power 
This is what I had previously reported after removing the 1/2" preload spacer I had used initially in the 499 (I suspect the thin copper water pipe I used for the spacer was binding on the plunger tube when the gun was shot):
There looks like there's a slight stroke increase with the 499B over the current RR and Buck, the pistons are different (499 uses a hard white plastic, RR used a softer rubber), no air tube on the 499- all things we've discussed/are aware of, so really no outstanding differences.
Ok, thanks! For for testing/ modifying purposes, are there any functional differences in the “plain”499b and the “competition”499b? I see 449b’s come up on eBay occasionally for “reasonable” prices that are cosmetically challenged. That wouldn’t bother me! I wouldn’t want to deface a “collectors” item though!
I'd love to know what the MV was- it's a hard hitter for sure!!
Very interesting! What distance are you shooting the can from? Is the can held down in some manner? Thx!
It just dawned on me that the ~ 450 fps you recently got was with a REPEATER!! I don't know why my attention span has been so short lately (I do have several irons in the fire, but still...)- I had thought it was the 499 abutment/RR single shot hybrid, not the 1938 abutment w/double length 499 shot tube. And you even stated it was the repeater in the header of the post. smh
Seriously?!? A very odd coincidence, Shane just emailed me a mock-up of a gun that uses an uber long forearm/shot tube/ barrel shroud:
Thanks for your input! Those are the same conclusions I’ve come to. The 499 tubes seem to be the best fit bb tubes available for a reasonable price. We’ve achieved a very precise splice/index fit, though nothing is perfect. It’s good enough for test purposes. My idea is actually to add a 9” section at a time to test increase in mv. I believe at some point that mv will drop off, due to friction and the inevitable air loss. Looking for another data point. I believe that accuracy is completely dependent on holding the tube as straight as possible, with minimal movement. Then accuracy should be whatever a single 499 tube is known for. Unless by increasing the mv significantly, the aerodynamics of the bb itself causes inconsistent accuracy. I have no idea if variation in the spin of the bb as it exits the tube will cause it to go astray.... I have a bit of experience with airsoft. They attempt to impart a controlled spin on the “bb”. It does seem to make a difference. Soo....testing will follow.
15 feet and the can was setting on the ground!
I have no idea and I used 3 in 1 oil.
If you're talking about the mock-up in the photo, it's just for fitting the stock to. The gun hinz57 is working with that's shooting 450-plus fps has been modified with a double length 499 shot tube fitted to the 1938B abutment, a HP spring, and a larger ID air tube.
To this day, when I smell 3 in 1 oil I think of my first BB gun, a Daisy model 102 Cub!
Shane has some real woodworking skills! Does he do anything with internal? I looked at his eBay stuff, it seems very associated with the “fantasy” gaming world. In some cases for “costume” only. To meet rules of the conventions.
I’ve decided to revisit the original premise of this thread. “Putting a little more power in a $15.00 Daisy”. So I took my new “ China” 105B, completely stripped it down, and started picking parts. Mostly from the 1998 that I have done most testing with. Hi mv of 452 FPS. Anyway, here is a pic of my progress. Stay tuned!
