Question for Germans - do you have to pass the Prüfung, or is club membership enough?

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Snejdarek

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I would like to ask German members of the forum the following question:

Do I undestand correctly that §7(1) WaffG and § 3 (1) (2) (c) AWaffV mean that a person that wants guns does not need to pass the prüfung, it is sufficient if they are member of sport shooting club?

Do majority of people go through the sport shooting club way?

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You have to pass the "Waffensachkundeprüfung". It is about laws regarding self defence, storage, transport, different kinds of firearms and safe weapon handling. It takes about a weekend if I remember right.
For purchasing black or nitrocellulose powder you have to take another course and pass the test.

Most gun owners here are sport shooters or hunters. The hunters license is much more expensive and takes much more time (3 weeks fulltime or 4 months every weekend) to obtain.

All in all gun ownership is to achieve and keep harder every year.
 
You have to pass the "Waffensachkundeprüfung". It is about laws regarding self defence, storage, transport, different kinds of firearms and safe weapon handling. It takes about a weekend if I remember right.
For purchasing black or nitrocellulose powder you have to take another course and pass the test.

Most gun owners here are sport shooters or hunters. The hunters license is much more expensive and takes much more time (3 weeks fulltime or 4 months every weekend) to obtain.

All in all gun ownership is to achieve and keep harder every year.

Thank you, so what does this actually mean? ¨

§ 7 Sachkunde
(1) Den Nachweis der Sachkunde hat erbracht, wer eine Prüfung vor der dafür bestimmten Stelle bestanden hat oder seine Sachkunde durch eine Tätigkeit oder Ausbildung nachweist.

§ 3 Anderweitiger Nachweis der Sachkunde
(1) Die Sachkunde gilt insbesondere als nachgewiesen, wenn der Antragsteller
1....
a) ...
b) ...

2.
a)....
b) ...
c)
die nach § 7 des Waffengesetzes nachzuweisenden Kenntnisse auf Grund einer anderweitigen, insbesondere behördlichen oder staatlich anerkannten Ausbildung oder als Sportschütze eines anerkannten Schießsportverbandes erworben und durch eine Bescheinigung der Behörde, des Ausbildungsträgers oder Schießsportverbandes nachgewiesen hat,
sofern die Tätigkeit nach Nummer 2 Buchstabe b oder Ausbildung nach Nummer 2 Buchstabe c ihrer Art nach geeignet war, die für den Umgang mit der beantragten Waffe oder Munition erforderliche Sachkunde zu vermitteln. Ausbildungen im Sinne der Nummer 2 Buchstabe c können auch durchgeführt werden im Rahmen von
1.
Ausbildungen, die mit einer zum Führen eines Luft- oder Wasserfahrzeuges berechtigenden staatlichen Prüfung abschließen,
2.
staatlich anerkannten Berufsausbildungen der Luft- und Seefahrt.
Der Nachweis der waffenrechtlichen Sachkunde wird durch eine von der Prüfungskommission erteilte Bescheinigung oder einen Eintrag im Prüfungszeugnis oder der Fahrerlaubnis geführt.
 
For signal pistols (boat or plane owners) there are other courses than for sport shooters. These allow you buy signal pistols.

Policemen can as far as I know get a paper which is accepted. Ex-soldiers do not qualify. They need the "Waffensachkundeprüfung".
 
So this

Kenntnisse auf Grund einer anderweitigen, insbesondere behördlichen oder staatlich anerkannten Ausbildung oder als Sportschütze eines anerkannten Schießsportverbandes erworben und durch eine Bescheinigung der Behörde, des Ausbildungsträgers oder Schießsportverbandes nachgewiesen hat

sentense about approved sport shooting club means what exactly? (Sorry for being so nosy, but I am really trying hard to make sense of it. Your help is much appreciated).
 
Trying to make sense of german gun legislation can be an insanity inducing endeavor ;)
Meant here is not the club, but the association (Verband) which the clubs have to belong to (DSB, BDMP, DSU or BDS e.g.). They are the ones offering the courses for the "Waffensachkundeprüfung". There also not associated providers for the course (Ausbildungsträger) like bigger retailers.

I hope I was able to clear that up a little. Feel free to ask if you have more questions.
 
Trying to make sense of german gun legislation can be an insanity inducing endeavor ;)
Meant here is not the club, but the association (Verband) which the clubs have to belong to (DSB, BDMP, DSU or BDS e.g.). They are the ones offering the courses for the "Waffensachkundeprüfung". There also not associated providers for the course (Ausbildungsträger) like bigger retailers.

I hope I was able to clear that up a little. Feel free to ask if you have more questions.
OK, but doesn't it say that you don't need to pass the Prufung if you get your Sachkunde through the association and the association gives you a Bescheidigung?
 
No, it is written in a misleading way.
You have to take a course in one form or another and the association is just another possible institution able to give a course.
 
Hello Snejdarek,

while I am under the impression your question is already answered to your satisfaction I want to shortly sum up the steps necessary to obtain a weapons ownership licence (which is NOT a licence to carry a gun) in Germany, putting my focus on the sporting aspect of gun ownership:

1. You need a clean criminal record...this is researched by the "genehmigende Behörde" (in some of our states the police, in some states the district office)

2. You need to prove you have a means to store your gun(s) according to the Waffengesetz (certified safes of different levels)

3. You need to prove that you have the necessary knowledge ("Sachkundeprüfung"....this is done by a preparing course, for which there are many ways to take/ companies or associations who offer these courses, and a final test that is conducted with a representant of the "genehmigende Behörde" on site)

4. You need to prove that you have a legal reason to own a gun....the three most common reason are sport shooting, hunting, collecting guns

If you are a sporting shooter you HAVE to be a member of one of the officially registered sport shooting associations. This usually comes automatically when joining a shooting club, since all firemarms shooting clubs are in turn registered "representants" of one or more of these associations. So the association will state, whether you are an active member and therefore have a real need for a regulated sporting gun (yes, this excludes many many guns you could think of) .... here you are in the hands of volatile, moody "kings", who might or might not state that you need a specific handgun or semi-auto long gun. (It´s easier with manually repeating long guns)

For hunters an collectors the ways deviate a bit, but they also fall under the "you need to provide a legal reason"-topic. Topics 1+2 are the same, topics 3+4 are specific for hunters vs. collectors vs. sporting use of guns.

Greetings from some hundred miles to the west!
Carsten
 
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