Trunk Monkey
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Question: what guns do you WISH they made? Post your ideas and concepts here!
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earlthegoat2
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Pump action and lever action .450 Bushmaster.
Ranger Point Precision will convert a Marlin 444 or any XLR to 450 Bushmaster. That’s as close as we have so far.
The closest I have to a 450 pump is my 20 ga BPS with slug barrel.
The 450 BM is a low pressure round by rifle standards so it should work in a standard platform. Might have to buy a Remington 7615 to see it could be done on that frame that way you could use same mags as 450 BM ARs.
Ranger Point Precision will convert a Marlin 444 or any XLR to 450 Bushmaster. That’s as close as we have so far.
The closest I have to a 450 pump is my 20 ga BPS with slug barrel.
The 450 BM is a low pressure round by rifle standards so it should work in a standard platform. Might have to buy a Remington 7615 to see it could be done on that frame that way you could use same mags as 450 BM ARs.
That's not a 1911. Nice try though.
Lycidas Janwor
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I'd really love a reproduction of the Luger 9mm, the P08. I'm not sure why this model and other great Luger pistols are not being reproduced, must have something to do with the name and the rights behind the name Luger and the pistol designs? Anyhow, I just like the way this gun looks and I'd love to buy a copy of one of these guns, perhaps with some modern upgrades like a double stack magazine?
Anyone know why no gun manufacturers have offered a copy/clone with upgrades?
Anyone know why no gun manufacturers have offered a copy/clone with upgrades?
Lycidas Janwor
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But can't it kinda of be like the 1911 in that, yes, it's all metal and expensive to make but they aren't cheap to buy either? I mean, the design is the design, that is, it's still a great design
That is not the reason.
indy1919a4
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Per the luger, you know they have tried to in the past, like the Erma 22 but its never a 100% copy..
Many times the companies are happy to come close, but pull back for some manufacturing considerations..
I.E the MP-44 copy
Look how long it took for the GSG stg-44 in 22 to get made. Now there are some companies that went all out and make limited runs but those are in the 5k range in price...
But hope is on the way, shooters are demanding more faithful copies and there seems to be more smaller companies that are going out of their way to make close and acceptable copies.
Personally have lots of hope for the HMG stg-44.. But its not going to be cheap.. like in the 1700 range..
The only way I know to get your luger made to go out... Nay, Run out and purchase as many of these copies as you can to encourage more manufactures to jump in the market and to show how the need for faithful copies are out there...
Many times the companies are happy to come close, but pull back for some manufacturing considerations..
I.E the MP-44 copy
Look how long it took for the GSG stg-44 in 22 to get made. Now there are some companies that went all out and make limited runs but those are in the 5k range in price...
But hope is on the way, shooters are demanding more faithful copies and there seems to be more smaller companies that are going out of their way to make close and acceptable copies.
Personally have lots of hope for the HMG stg-44.. But its not going to be cheap.. like in the 1700 range..
The only way I know to get your luger made to go out... Nay, Run out and purchase as many of these copies as you can to encourage more manufactures to jump in the market and to show how the need for faithful copies are out there...
No, it isn't. It was a great design for the time. Unlike the 1911, however, there are no actual performance advantages offered by it. Nor does it have the 1911's network effects going for it.
There is nothing beneficial about having a toggle that pops up into the line of sight on every shot.
Lycidas Janwor
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I understand but I'd still like to you know, be able to get one. I don't think black powder, muzzle loading guns are great designs compared to the modern rifle but some people still want one, even a modern one
commygun
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Another vote for the Stevens Favorite, but in .32 or .380 ACP.
As ever, continue to hope for a Destroyer-sized, iron-sighted, magazine-fed bolt-action in 9mm Para. It baffles me that, with all the odd designs and calibers floated over the years, that no one has ever thought this was worth trying.
As ever, continue to hope for a Destroyer-sized, iron-sighted, magazine-fed bolt-action in 9mm Para. It baffles me that, with all the odd designs and calibers floated over the years, that no one has ever thought this was worth trying.
MacAR
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While I am (sorta) a fan of the M24, and even have one in 16 gauge, I must ask: why? So many other guns are better mechanically and ergonomically designed (the NID comes to mind) than the M24. My 16 isn't too bad, but the 12's I've handled are terribly clunky. Having said that, I like the way you think insofar as that a well made sxs in all the gauges you mentioned would be a welcome addition to many collections. I for one would be willing to pay a decent price for a good sxs 10 gauge that's capable of shooting modern ammo, especially if ammo makers would start producing more than just "super goose" loads. Why not make an 1 1/4 oz load for just all-round use? Or heck, even a 1 1/2 oz! I'd sure buy 'em.
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Jim Watson
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How is it you do not know that they have?
Mauser gave it the old college try about 1970, a good many guns in many variations, not just the military P08.
They rang all the changes, but there seems not to have been an enduring market.
There was an outfit making stainless steel Lugers for Mitchell and Stoeger for a while.
Quality was reported variable, some shot well, some not.
Krieghoff made a short run (Found parts in a warehouse?) and sold beautiful guns at extremely high prices.
It took them several years to sell off this "ballistic jewelry."
Krausewerk and Lugerman make reproductions of the US Army trials .45 Luger.
I can't tell the status of Krausewerk, but Lugerman says he is making 50 a year, seven left out of last year's batch.
Sure, that's cool. I'd be happy if they made them (no skin off my nose).
But most muzzle-loaders are pretty simple and easy to make.
Trunk Monkey
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Seriously, I'd like to see Smith and Wesson start making the Third Generation again but no one would pay the price for them.
Lycidas Janwor
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I saw a TV show about some guy (back East somewhere) that makes muzzle loading rifles by hand from scratch and people can order them from him. It's pretty amazing how he makes these rifles from creating the barrel to the stock, to the action and everything in between, an amazing process.
Of course, his rifles cost an amazing amount of money to own, but they are pretty much an exact replica of what a hunter would of had circa 1750s and very accurate when shot.
Jim Watson
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Right. A functional firing muzzleloader is not difficult. A NICE muzzleloader is just as involved to make as any firearm. A friend has a faithful reproduction of a colonial era flintlock and it is a nice muzzleloader and was not cheap.
I know exactly what you are talking about and almost referenced it.
But the difference is that those old Kentucky rifles in 1750 were originally made in one-man shops. So a one-man gunsmith operation with enough time (and customers with enough money) can literally just do what they used to do.
Objects, like Lugers, from stages of industrialization that are now in the past kind of fall into a valley. You need more than a small shop and hand tools to make them... but they'd be too expensive to make compared to more modern designs.
Jim Watson
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I wonder when the transition from one man shops making everything to stockers buying locks from Golcher and barrels from Remington took place.
Like the guy on teevee. He is "making" flintlocks, but you never see him reaming a barrel or filing a lock; it is all wood and iron work.
Like the guy on teevee. He is "making" flintlocks, but you never see him reaming a barrel or filing a lock; it is all wood and iron work.
Speedo66
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Let's see, a blued finish on a gun that can be highly polished like the classic Colts but is as rust resistant as stainless.
A scaled down version of a Broomhandle in .22 that is a close mechanical facsimile, functions reliably, and is popularly priced, i.e., like a Ruger Wrangler.
A scaled down version of a Broomhandle in .22 that is a close mechanical facsimile, functions reliably, and is popularly priced, i.e., like a Ruger Wrangler.
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It’s a polymer framed .45 as requested.
Jim Watson
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DLC on polished steel.
.455_Hunter
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A S&W 391X frame with a CS9 length slide/barrel.
More subcompacts with a stiff heel magazine release.
Either import or make a US copy of the Soviet PSM along with suitable 5.45x18mm ammo.
More subcompacts with a stiff heel magazine release.
Either import or make a US copy of the Soviet PSM along with suitable 5.45x18mm ammo.
Jim Watson
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Well, Hy Hunter once put a pistol grip and 6" barrel on an AR-7 action and called it a "Broomhandle" but I gather that is not refined enough for you. But it was CHEAP. sorry, "popularly priced."
Ohen Cepel
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I want an 8 shot .32mag revolver with a rail on the top and bottom of the barrel. Would be a nice home defense set up and I'm a .32 fan. .327 would be nice but I know the pressure may make it too large.
Also, a lightweight snub .45LC. Taurus made one years ago and while not a Taurus fan I liked that one a lot.
Also, a lightweight snub .45LC. Taurus made one years ago and while not a Taurus fan I liked that one a lot.
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