Question: what guns do you WISH they made? Post your ideas and concepts here!

[CapnMac]

There were several such short 7mms in assault rifle development.

Yeah, 7.0mm has been around a long time. The Brits chased it with their 1912 .276 enfield (7x60 IIRC), but there was a war on, so they stuck with .303 for better or worse. If memory serves, Ross experimented with a similar .280 caliber.

In the US we saw the .76pedersen (7x51), which was a zippy little round, which was totally unsuitable for use in MGs at 2500-3200m, unlike M2 ball.

The brits came back, after the war, and after considerable study of 8mm kurtz, with the .280NATO )7x43). That round tried to span the bridge of infantry rifle and Squad Automatic Weapon. Was good for the former, not so much for the latter. The US had begrudgingly determined that 7.62NATO was as intermediate as they could stand, so much for that 280.

Now, there is a very reasonable argument about what could a 7x40 or 7x45 do that a the 6.5creedmore does not do already. Only answer I presently have is in selection of heavy projos with favorable BC. Maybe. Perhaps. Sorta.

 

[Jim Watson]

Many more were looked at.
World War 2 to 1960 - the Assault Rifle Emerges

(Edited to emphasize 7mm short case rounds.)
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DWM designed a 7x39 cartridge in the mid-1930s, for which a Walther self-loading carbine was reportedly made. It was appreciably more powerful than the later 7.9x33 Kurz. However, the interest of the Heereswaffenamt (HWA) was by then focused on Polte developments, so the DWM round also failed to progress further. RWS produced several short-cased rifle rounds in the 1930s, including an 8x45, 8x46 and 7x46, but these developments were taken no further. Rheinmetall-Borsig were involved in a number of prewar experiments concerning 7mm rounds in various case lengths, some of them very long, probably for high-velocity aircraft gun projects. One drawing has been found of a 7x36 cartridge which would obviously have been suitable for assault rifles, but there is no evidence that it was made. The design work may have been done by Polte on behalf of Rheinmetall-Borsig.

This brings us to Polte Patronenfabrik of Magdeburg, who made by far the most significant contribution. The HWA awarded them a contract, probably in 1938, for the development of a short-cased infantry cartridge. This resulted in several different designs of cartridge; 7.9x45, 7.9x30, two different 7.9x33 and a 7x45, all by 1940. In all of these, Polte retained the base diameter of the standard 7.9x57 rifle/MG round, and in all but the 7mm the same calibre as well. This kept production costs to a minimum and no doubt helped to account for the success of their proposals. The final 7.9x33 design (which had less case taper than the first or "transitional" effort) was approved in December 1940, the only subsequent change being to the angle of the extractor groove, which was altered from 45 to 60 degrees in May 1942.

The MKb42(H) by Haenel and the MKb42(W) by Walther were designed around the new cartridge and produced in some numbers for field testing. This led to the development of the Haenel MP43/44 (later renamed StG 44 for Sturmgewehr or assault

One cartridge worth its own paragraph was the Spanish 7.92x40 CETME Model 53. The ammunition was designed by Dr Gunther Voss, a German ballistician working for CETME. He wanted to combine a good long-range performance with light recoil, which he achieved by using a 6.9 g (106.5 grain) bullet made from solid aluminium alloy except for the copper sleeve around most of its length, which compensated for its light weight by being highly streamlined. As a result, it achieved a ballistic performance comparable with the 7.62x51 (MV was 800 m/s from a carbine-length barrel of 435mm) with a significant reduction in ammunition weight and an even bigger reduction in recoil.

Another which very nearly saw service was the British EM-2 bullpup rifle, initially chambered for a new .280 cartridge (later with a slightly modified rim as the .280/30 - both measured 7x43 in metric terms) which after experiments with 8.4g (130 grain) bullets was trialled with a 9.0g (140 grain) bullet at 736 m/s (2,415 fps), for a muzzle energy of 2,440 joules.

 

[Obturation]

I'd really love a reproduction of the Luger 9mm, the P08. I'm not sure why this model and other great Luger pistols are not being reproduced, must have something to do with the name and the rights behind the name Luger and the pistol designs? Anyhow, I just like the way this gun looks and I'd love to buy a copy of one of these guns, perhaps with some modern upgrades like a double stack magazine?

Anyone know why no gun manufacturers have offered a copy/clone with upgrades?

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There is a current production luger. Not sure if he has them in 9mm, he does make them in 45acp for sure. Hold on, they cost lots.

https://lugerman.com/luger-45/

 

[czhen]

I'd really love a reproduction of the Luger 9mm, the P08. I'm not sure why this model and other great Luger pistols are not being reproduced, must have something to do with the name and the rights behind the name Luger and the pistol designs? Anyhow, I just like the way this gun looks and I'd love to buy a copy of one of these guns, perhaps with some modern upgrades like a double stack magazine?

Anyone know why no gun manufacturers have offered a copy/clone with upgrades?

It might have a niche market. However, it will be a very high price, even at today technology.
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[czhen]

STG 44 original caliber or

7.62 x 39
223 Rem
9 mm

 

[Speedo66]

Well, Hy Hunter once put a pistol grip and 6" barrel on an AR-7 action and called it a "Broomhandle" but I gather that is not refined enough for you. But it was CHEAP. sorry, "popularly priced."

One of my criteria was reliable, if it was AR-7 based, I doubt it was.

 

[skeeterfogger]

Always wanted a 5 shot 50 cap and ball in full frame

 

[P5 Guy]

A concealed hammer three inch barreled S&W 'N' frame with an eight round 357MAG cylinder.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

How about a GP100 in 41 magnum? I could see one of these in my safe.

That would immediately supplant my 357 magnums as my preferred woods gun.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

A VP38Super SK, a VP45SK, and a VP10SK.

 

[cheygriz]

While I am (sorta) a fan of the M24, and even have one in 16 gauge, I must ask: why? So many other guns are better mechanically and ergonomically designed (the NID comes to mind) than the M24. My 16 isn't too bad, but the 12's I've handled are terribly clunky. Having said that, I like the way you think insofar as that a well made sxs in all the gauges you mentioned would be a welcome addition to many collections. I for one would be willing to pay a decent price for a good sxs 10 gauge that's capable of shooting modern ammo, especially if ammo makers would start producing more than just "super goose" loads. Why not make an 1 1/4 oz load for just all-round use? Or heck, even a 1 1/2 oz! I'd sure buy 'em.

Mac

My first shotgun was a Model 24 in 16 ga.

I loved that gun. For several years it sure helped to keep the bird and rabbit population under control!

 

[MacAR]

My first shotgun was a Model 24 in 16 ga.

I loved that gun. For several years it sure helped to keep the bird and rabbit population under control!

Makes perfect sense! My 24 has managed to do a number on the local squirrel population in its years here. They are a good, solid gun no doubt. Just not too pretty!

Mac

 

[cheygriz]

And how about a Colt Woodsman .22?

 

[Jim Watson]

Fire up the Wayback Machine, Sherman.
USFA was all set to make a Woodsman, complete with Maxim Silencer, but the proprietor flew off into Cloud Cuckoo Land.

 

[George Dickel]

I wish somebody would make a .357 Mag lever gun with a side loading gate that didn't cost more than my AR. Rossi doesn't count because they are almost never in stock anywhere and looking at their website apparently the don't even make the R92 in .357 anymore?

There are some for sale on Gunbroker. Saw a couple at the Orlando gun show last weekend. Bud's also has them for sale.

 

[American_Fusilier]

I wish somebody would make a .357 Mag lever gun with a side loading gate that didn't cost more than my AR. Rossi doesn't count because they are almost never in stock anywhere and looking at their website apparently the don't even make the R92 in .357 anymore?

THIS.

I want a lever gun in .357 so bad, I was planning on buying the Rossi R92. I wanted the long barrel blued version. I'd honestly rather have that new Henry with the side loading gate.

It seems like lever guns in general are waaay over priced, except for maybe the Marlin 336 in 30-30 or .22LR versions (even then though...).

An SKS in 5.56 that is appropriately scaled for the smaller cartridge, and therefore a lighter rifle. It must be scope-able.

This is a great idea. Maybe have it take 556 AK mags...

Back when I built my 50 BMG I couldn’t figure out why you could get a single shot shot gun for $99 but a single shot 50 BMG was thousands of dollars.

They should come out with an affordable single shot .50bmg bolt action. That would be awesome. Someday I want to get me a 50, you know, because AMERICA!

My list of hopes and dreams:

7. How about someone reproducing M1's? Or Hell how about an M1 under a grand?
8. A nice Walker or Dragoon Colt conversion, in 45 lc, done at the factory.

Mac

These are great ideas, especially #7. I want an M1!!

A scaled down version of a Broomhandle in .22 that is a close mechanical facsimile, functions reliably, and is popularly priced, i.e., like a Ruger Wrangler.

I think this is a good idea. Basically any hard to own gun or collector's piece, should be re-done in .22LR for us poor people...




I thought of a couple more

It would be really cool to see those Iver Johnson small top break revolvers reproduced for smokeless propellant. It would be cool to have a 5 shot version in .38 Special.

I'd also love it if somebody made replicas of Winchester 1895s. Maybe with a shorter barrel, around 22" would be perfect. That'd make a great woods/truck gun...

 

[czhen]

And how about a Colt Woodsman .22?

Don't give the idea to Colt they will joint with Umarex for a crappy copy.

 

[Texas10mm]

It’s a polymer framed .45 as requested.

What was requested was a polymer framed 1911. You even called it a SR1911. It's not a 1911. Not all .45 ACP pistols are 1911s and not all 1911s are .45 ACP.

It pays to pay attention.

 

[aarondhgraham]

I want someone to come out and market a "pair" of single-shot pistols,,,
Something like this Stevens break-open action would be ideal.



I have memories of my great uncle Banty and his cigar box of two pistols,,,
They were either Stevens pistols or something very close to them.

Every summer I would get to spend a few weeks at their farm,,,
After he came home he would get his 6-pack and we would go out in his yard.

He would drink a beer thereby creating a target for me,,,
Then we would each try and chase it with .22's.

But nostalgia aside, I think a nicely cased pair of these would sell,,,
North American Arms would be a perfect manufacturer.

Make them with 6-inch barrels and decent sights so one could actually hit a target,,,
Honestly, I would buy the first pair out of the plant.

Aarond

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[Mauser lover]

Ruger, I'm still waiting on a six shot .327 LCRx 3"!

Top breaks are cool. I would like a double action though. If the Scofield can be done in .45 Colt or even .38 special by Cimmaron and Uberti then they could do a double action in .45 Colt or .38 Special. They could even do it in .45 ACP for a shorter cylinder. I understand that the top break has issues with high pressure cartridges, but if you can do it in .45 Colt and .38 Special that's good enough for me!

 

[American_Fusilier]

Top breaks are cool. I would like a double action though. If the Scofield can be done in .45 Colt or even .38 special by Cimmaron and Uberti then they could do a double action in .45 Colt or .38 Special. They could even do it in .45 ACP for a shorter cylinder. I understand that the top break has issues with high pressure cartridges, but if you can do it in .45 Colt and .38 Special that's good enough for me!

There are plenty of top breaks in double/single action. The Webley, Harrington & Richardson, and Iver Johnson line of revolvers come to mind. But I am sure with today's metallurgy and technology and manufacturing methods, they could produce a top break that could at least handle 327 or 357 magnums. Honestly, any top break in .357 magnum that comes out, or I find, I will buy it. It would be awesome to have a Webley Mk VI reproduction in .357 mag. Or the ultimate, a Ruger GP100 top break *heavy breathing*.

I do know that Cimmaron and/or Uberti make the Scofield in .38 special. Think about it, that's already most of the foundation work for a .357 mag version done... you just gotta lengthen the cylinder and frame a bit.

It's funny, because other than like an old police trade in Colt or S&W, I will never buy a .38 Special revolver, any revolver (besides a .22lr version) needs to be chambered in .357 mag for me. Even though the vast majority of loads fired through it will be .38 special, I like options. Plus I handload, and if I ever made a .38 Special load a little too hot, no problem for a .357 mag frame.

Either way, I need to get an Harrington & Richardson model 999 Sportsman. That triangular barrel is so freakin' cool, plus it's a top break!

TOO MANY GUNS, NOT ENOUGH MONEY OR TIME!!!!!

 

[indy1919a4]

I want someone to come out and market a "pair" of single-shot pistols,,,
Something like this Stevens break-open action would be ideal.

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I have memories of my great uncle Banty and his cigar box of two pistols,,,
They were either Stevens pistols or something very close to them.

Every summer I would get to spend a few weeks at their farm,,,
After he came home he would get his 6-pack and we would go out in his yard.

He would drink a beer thereby creating a target for me,,,
Then we would each try and chase it with .22's.

But nostalgia aside, I think a nicely cased pair of these would sell,,,
North American Arms would be a perfect manufacturer.

Make them with 6-inch barrels and decent sights so one could actually hit a target,,,
Honestly, I would buy the first pair out of the plant.

Aarond

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You know you can pick originals up pretty cheap and possible lower in price then what a new pistol would cost..
And you can still shoot them with some mild precautions..

 

[Jim Watson]

It would be awesome to have a Webley Mk VI reproduction in .357 mag.

As I just posted on TFL, have I got a deal for you:
http://andersonwheeler.co.uk/the-gun-room/revolver/

 

[Mauser lover]

There are plenty of top breaks in double/single action.
I do know that Cimmaron and/or Uberti make the Scofield in .38 special. Think about it, that's already most of the foundation work for a .357 mag version done... you just gotta lengthen the cylinder and frame a bit.

Either way, I need to get an Harrington & Richardson model 999 Sportsman. That triangular barrel is so freakin' cool, plus it's a top break!

TOO MANY GUNS, NOT ENOUGH MONEY OR TIME!!!!!

I meant a modern (even if a modern reproduction) of a double action top break. I've got a S&W Lemon Squeezer from probably 1902 or earlier (I'd have to re-research to remember for sure) but it is WAAAY out of time and LOTS of endshake. In addition to being designed for black powder cartridges, I'll never shoot it until repaired and probably remade into .22. Project for another day. I think there's got to be a little more to the Uberti Schofield NOT being in .357 Mag than just cylinder length. Too many people would buy it if they could do it easily.

The H&R 999 is great (I think so anyway), but it isn't anywhere close to a top tier (or even close to S&W or Ruger) revolver. Mine is from the '30s. The triangle barrel isn't what I would call the most amazing feature of the design, but I suppose if you like it more power to you! The DA trigger is the real shortcoming, but I see no need for a SA only revolver, otherwise you could get the SA model (199 I think?). Make sure it is timed well when you get it. There aren't any hands available for the old style.

 

[indy1919a4]

As I just posted on TFL, have I got a deal for you:
http://andersonwheeler.co.uk/the-gun-room/revolver/

Out-damn-standing... Many thanks, did not know that existed. Thanks for sharing. 7 shot... 7 SHOT to boot...wow.. I looked and looked does anyone know a price for this beauty

PS.. I know I am not going to be able to afford this I have clicked on 3 different pages
and all they can tell me is about how wonderful this gun is.. Still no price..