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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Meeks36, Oct 8, 2019.

  1. Meeks36

    Meeks36 Member

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    Have a quick question for all you reloaders. I'm thinking about buying up some primers and powder. It will be strictly for trade/barter. I have zero intentions on reloading. Don't trust myself to not screw up. What brand and primer types should I stock up on? Same question for powders. If this isn't allowed pls delete.
     
  2. Highland Lofts

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    Any kind of primers on sale.
     
  3. 2011redrider

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    Remember they are both haz mat items and would have to be sold locally face to face.
     
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  4. Meeks36

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    I have noticed that looking online. So I will buy the components at Bass pro or academy. And when the time comes sell/trade on Armslist.
     
  5. entropy

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    If you are planning on buying primers and powder in hopes of becoming rich selling it after a shortage or ban,
    1. I will not advise you.
    2. If you believe you will make a lot of money at this, particularly when you don't reload yourself- son, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona you should really look at.
     
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  6. Meeks36

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    Ha not looking to get rich. Just trying to lay some things back for the future. If I wanted to become rich I wouldn't do it by hording components. Just something for the future. Might change my mind about reloading. My grandfather reloaded shotgun shells. Still remember his press. My kids might get into it. Who knows what the future holds.
     
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  7. Catpop

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    Who knows what the future holds? You only have 5 years at best to find out! So make your move now!
    And while you’re out stocking up on those reloading supplies, do your best to influence the elections——- VOTE!!!!!
     
  8. Ks5shooter

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    This^^^^^
     
  9. Walkalong

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    I wouldn't buy and hold items you know nothing about for future barter/trade, especially when nothing may happen. And powder has a shelf life.
     
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    Why not stock up on ammo instead?
     
  11. Highland Lofts

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    The last fabricated BS shortage 22lr ammo was a money maker. Here locally a $20 brick of 22lr was selling like hotcakes at the firemans fund raiser for $50 a brick.
    All my extra stash got traded for guns at a local gun shop. The would reduce the price of the gun I wanted and no sales tax.i got a $650 gun for $450 = 9 bricks of 22lr.
    I got a $175 gun for $100 = 2 bricks of 22lr.
    And a couple of other good trades and I still had plenty of 22lr for my grandson to shoot. I have about a dozen extra bricks set aside and will get a bunch more here before the 2020 elections.
    Money well spent, if they don't get traded off I have pleny of 22lr to shoot for years to come.
     
  12. jmorris

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    I guess it would be a better investment than Bear Stearns. Lots of better choices IMO though.

    If you are buying them from a “the sky’s falling” perspective, what if they just make it illegal for anyone to possess them, like Trump did bumpstocks? At that point not only would they be worth nothing, they could make you a felon if you were not sure you destroyed all of them.
     
  13. berettaprofessor

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    What Entrophy and Walkalong said. And a general investment advice statement; never invest in areas you know nothing about. That goes for land, stocks, snake oil, and anything else you stumble across.
     
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  14. 460Shooter

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    ^^^^^^ This was my first thought.

    ^^^^^^^ These were my second and third.

    There are better things to stash away for the kids like money, gold, guns, even ammo, because predicting a child's evolving interest is pretty hard.
     
  15. Texas10mm

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    If you're going to buy the primers and powder at Bass Pro you're already behind the 8 ball. Their prices already reflect panic time. You need to be able to buy primers for LESS than $0.024 each.

    If you're buying primers at Academy you're still screwed. Their prices aren't as high as BP but they're still stupid high. I can get primers locally for $30/1000 out the door. That's CCI and Winchester. On a day to day basis it's hard to beat those prices buying online.

    Powder prices aren't too bad at Academy. I haven't been in BP to check in over a year, back then they were crazy high.

    The same place I buy primers has powder at prices that make it very hard for me to justify ordering powder online. I'd have to buy at least 32 lbs to save any money. Considering that I just picked up 24 lbs of powder for $201 out the door it will be a while before I need more pistol powder.



    If you want to stockpile something you can sell at a profit later on I'd suggest .22 LR ammo, just like Highland Lofts did. m Though I'm not sure how he thinks it was fabricated. The factories didn't profit from the shortage.
     
  16. Catpop

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    $8.375 per pound! Wow! I’ve never seen powder that cheap! Great buy on your part!
     
  17. Scooter22

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    I'd invest in something you could use and offer the surplus to others. Why tie up time, money and space on something you have no use for and no idea of the future worth. Common ammo of guns you own may be a start. jmo.
     
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  18. Average Joe

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    For resale, your better off buying gold.... If I buy somebody's components, I would expect to pay half of what the retail price was, kinda like buying a used car...the value drops when you drive off the lot.
     
  19. Swampman

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    Where do you plan on storing your investment?

    Bulk powder and primers are.....bulky, they are also best kept in a climate controlled environment.

    And not to be Chicken Little, but there are safety concerns involved in storing large quantities of either item. If I had no use for 'em except a vague idea of possible profit way down the road, there's no way in hell I'd keep them around my place.

    As others have said, there are way better investment opportunities out there.
     
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  20. 1976B.L.Johns.

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    Close, but that was then, this is now.

    Getting back to the O.P., invest in something else as others have said!
     
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  21. Eddietruett

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    I think a lot of people that load and shoot a lot learned a lesson from the last shortage. Most everyone I know that shoots a lot around here has loaded up on supplies just in case. 90% of my shooting is with 38/357 and I prefer Federal Primers since most of my target and hunting guns have real light triggers. Federal can be hit and miss even during good times so a few years ago I started stocking up. Buying mostly at gun shows, I've stocked up about 30k Federal SPP and about 20k of other brands. I just bought a guy out at a gun show and wound up getting about 15k of Federal and CCI for $20 per k. I also bought a bunch of overstock lead bullets from Sportsman Warehouse a year or so ago for around $25 per k. Not my first choice in bullets but they don't shoot bad and they are here for a potential shortage. I also bought 2 8lb jugs of Universal powder from a shop going out of business for $100 a jug so I might not be shooting the loads I prefer, but I figure I'm good for at least 5 years if I don't buy another thing. Now I'm working on stocking up 9mm which I don't shoot much and 22LR just in case. While I don't see any shortage in components in the near future, I have noticed that there are less reloading supplies at most of the shows I go to, especially primers.
     
  22. Swampman

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    Y"know, lots of people TALK about using 4227, but it seems really overrepresented in pics of old cans of powder that people still have hanging around.
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    Still about half full.

    Just sniffed it, smells good.
     
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  23. hdwhit

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    • Small rifle.
    • Small pistol.
    • Any brand.
    • Any manufacturer.
    You are precisely the kind of person I am looking for. You intend to buy primers and powder now (now that the panic buying has already begun after the recent spate of high-profile shootings - so that you are buying into a rising market) with the intention of selling them later when the panic has reached its crescendo.

    Good luck.

    Even at $40 per thousand now and $70 per thousand later, how many packages of primers would you have to sell to 1) recoup your costs, 2) make a profit, and 3) generate a positive return on investment?

    But can you get that hypothetical $70? After all, I have some idea how Cabela's, Bass Pro, Academy, my LGS, etc. have handled their primers. For all I know, you're a maniac who was out in your garage every evening spraying the primers with WD-40. After the last panic, I was offering 30%-50% of what people had originally paid for the components and I still had all the takers I could afford to buy from.

    In most cases you would be better off going down and buying a dividend-paying utility stock, holding it and letting the dividends reinvest in more shares.
    • If you need primers to reload, buy primers.
    • If you need powder to reload, buy powder.
    • If you don't, look elsewhere for sensible investments consistent with your investment objectives.
     
  24. jmorris

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    That’s what would poopoo the idea for me.

    You could be one of the many that have closets full of $10 P mags waiting for the next panic to unload them for $80 ea...
     
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  25. James Fonteneaux

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    FWIW, I use it for 300 Blackout and 450 Bushmaster. Used some yesterday and today. I love the look of those old cans. I'm stuck with the plastic jars.
     
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