Range Report: Colt Pocket Hammerless and Colt Police Positive

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After a long waiting period I finally have my 3” Colt Police Positive Special with me.
So, last Friday I took it along with the Pocket Hammerless 1908 (380 ACP ) to the range.
I was in a bit of a hurry, and I’m also saving money for ammo for my next shooting class, so I only put 50 rounds through each gun. Cheap reloads both, the 38 Special was some 158 gr SWC and the 380 AP was 90gr. FMJ truncated cone. I expected some light reloads but they were in fact pretty hot and accurate.
Both guns are in excellent working condition, in spite of the reblueing, barrels on both guns have nice rifling and I expected them to work well. The fitting on both guns is truly impressive, specially when you think about how old they are, and that they are in no way “ like new” guns.
The Police positive had the barrel cut down to 3”, meaning it’s not an original 3” barrel, but whoever did it did a fine job.
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First I fired a few rounds through the revolver.
This little guy barks loud! Recoil is noticeable, but you can still fire fast and accurately. It’s important to keep a firm grip with this snubby, as firm as you can manage.
Soon enough it was clear that the ergonomics on this revolver are nothing to brag about. The grip feel kind of weird, and it’s impossible to grip it all the way up and still pull the trigger unless your finger is crooked like a hook. Gripping it correctly, my little finger had a hard time staying in the grip (curled below the grip), and I have medium sized hands, not some huge paw.
Point shooting was still relatively easy to manage, and if the grip was somewhat correct on the gun, the 3” revolver impacted where you pointed it at.
The indoor range was empty so I went trough some defensive drills with it, drawing from my jacket’s pocket single handedly and shooting twice in the chest and another one or two in the head. As I said before, it points well naturally, the hard part is getting a god grip while drawing in a hurry.
This old 3” Colt Police Positive is pretty accurate. This gun is mostly intended for close range defense, but I still tried a few rounds for accuracy. Nothing scientific, but lets say it was easy to keep all shots within the targets face at 10 yards, the first two rounds actually touched.
Manually cocking the hammer before firing is a temptation, but you should only practice DA shooting because that’s what you are going to use in defense.
Then I switched to the 1908 Pocket Hammerless.
Now , you CAN feel Browning’s geniality as soon as you pick this gun.
This pistol fits my hand like a glove, and it was a true pleasure after the Police Positive’s awkward grip.
Point shooting with this gun was even easier than with the revolver. You just point at whatever part of the target’s body you want to shoot and it hits it as if it where laser guided.
Sights on this gun are small, and it’s the only thing I would change if I wanted it for a serious defensive role. I liked the clearly defined sights of the Colt revolver much better. Sights on both weapons where dean on target, which was nice to see because I was a bit worried about the revolver since it had been cut from a longer barrel.
Recoil on the 380 ACP was very pleasant, better than in the 3” 38 special, and head shots were a piece of cake up to 20 meters. I’m sure this gun is capable of impressive accuracy but I was more interested in trying it for quick single handed shooting, either point shooting or firing just as soon as the front sight came to eye level.
Still, this gun is clearly capable of 2” or 3” groups at 20 yards, if you take the time to focus on the small sights and slowly work the trigger ( something you wont be doing in defensive shooting).
Both guns worked perfectly. The revolver didn’t lock up even when I fired it fast and the cylinder got a bit too hot to touch, and the Colt 1908 Hammerless pistol worked without a problem, even with the 90 gr. truncated cone ammo.
Old time craftsmanship is certainly impressive, I’m glad I bought these guns. I can hardly wait for the paperwork on the rest of the old timers I’ve been buying recently.

FerFAL
 
Thanks for posting your range report! The Colt auto was my one “holy grail” of handguns.

I finally was able to buy a 1912 vintage 1908 Pocket Hammerless earlier this year. I’ve seen only two others in .380ACP (many in .32ACP) for sale over the years and couldn’t pass this one up. I guess I watched too many Warner Brothers gangster movies as a kid. :) The pistol is missing most of the bluing, but is mechanically tight. I too love the way it fits the hand perfectly. It would be nice to have a mint example, but I plan to shoot this one.

Right now, the barrel is soaking in Ed's Bore Cleaner to try to remove a prodigious amount of lead build up. I’ll be ordering a recoil spring and magazine springs from Wolff just in case. As soon as I can get the barrel cleaned out (or, if forced to, buy a replacement), I’ll have it to the range to compare to my Bersa Thunder in .380.

Thanks again for the inspiration.

Matt
 
Nice Colts and good job with the pictures and the range report.
One of my favorite actors is Humphrey Bogart and I have been keeping an eye out for a 1903 Pocket
 
It's great to read a range report about classic firearms like these. Thanks. :)
 
Very cool! If you can find or make more hand filling grips for the Police Positive, it should be a lot nicer to shoot, and won't permanently alter the gun.
 
Just a point of hearsay history

Years ago, (I think 1959) I acquired a really nice 08 Colt pocket pistol in a trade. Caliber was .380. It came with an unusual old pistol case and 2 mags. I shot a couple of boxes thru it without a glich, and, as others have noted, it felt natural in the hand, and point aimed effortlessly. A real tight little gun with flawless bluing, it was typical of old school craftsmanship. I often cry (just a little) when I think about the trade off for whatever neat little whatever it was that caused me to let the colt go.

Sorry for the long winded sentimentality.

Anyway...here's the kicker. While examining the colt, I noticed there was no serial number anywhere on the gun. I did some reading , asked some questions from gun gurus of the time and was told that this particular type of weapon was favored by the Chicago mob of the twenties. And they ofter had some 'gun mechanic' remove the serial number from their gun with a type of acid. A close examination revealed a slight polished indentation on the frame of my colt right where the serial number was supposed to be. Anybody ever hear of this? Did I trade off a part of the St Valentine day massacre or Ma Barker's personal gat?
 
Pointed to this thread by the separately posted question about 357-in-38special, because I was wondering about the autopistol. That's the same shape I've admired in my illustrated encyclopedia of guns, and the way yours is finished, wow -- I wish someone made a gun that looked that nice in 9mm, and in current production.

That Browning guy knew what he was doing.

timothy
 
The Colt .380 Pocket Hammerless was my first, and until 2 months ago, only gun. I bought it 30 years ago from a guy in MD who was just opening up his own gun shop, and it was HIS first gun! Mine is a Type III, made in 1915. Unfortunately, the guy I bought it from had been carrying it Mexican, and the bluing was kind of worn off. So he had it re-blued before selling it to me in 1977 ($110 IIRC).

Anyway, I got my CCW a month or so ago and updated my armory with a Glock 19 and a Kahr PM9. But I took the Colt to the gun show in Harrisburg last weekend. I had a guy who was selling a couple of Colts take a look, and he said re-bluing it had definitely reduced its value as a collectible, and he could see there was some slight pitting in the side. The good news is, he said I should just have fun shooting it!

So I found a guy at the show who was making kydex holsters to order (no, you don't see many Uncle Mikes, Fobus, Blade-Tech, Galco, etc. holsters for this model gun!) and I bought a couple of spare mags. One of the mags even holds 8 rounds (?!?) It's supposed to be 7, but the other mag only holds 6, so I guess it averages out :p

I haven't shot the thing in 10 years, but will definitely be bringing it my next trip to the range. I found a new slide spring at Numrich, since the old one was a little bent and crooked and I didn't want to take a chance with it.

I concur with what the OP said about the grip and feel of this gun. It just feels right.
 
Re somebody making a hammerless in 9mm.... Cylinder and Slide is making one in .45 for around $8000. Maybe you should check with them....:evil::D

I was really intrigued until I heard the price!!!
 
SaxonPig worte:
Shooting the oldies. Way cool!

I've never seen a 3" PPS. Original?

No, It’s been cut to that length. The chambers have also been modified to accept 357 magnum (danger!:what:)
It’s a “Policía Federal Argentina” gun, has the Argentine shield.
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FerFAL
 
FERFAL, how are things in Argentina these days? Has it settled down at all? Somewhere I read your SHTF stories about the chaos down there. Hope it os easier now! Good luck!
 
the colt auto should hold 8 rds.if you take it to a gun show and go to the magazine seller you may be able to get a mag that will work,as well as get a colt mag.Its suprizing how many other makes inter change:confused::uhoh:
 
1908s are sweet . so far all I've manage to get a hold of is a 1903 , one day I'll find a 1908 to keep it comapany . With modern ammo I wouldn't feel under gunned carrying a 1908 due to its accuracy .
 
Well, that PPS was supposedly built to handle hotter loads than the .38spc. .357 is probably a bit of a stretch, but it wouldn't surprise me if it fired them occasionally without blowing up. I wouldn't try it though. I can say from experience, though, that they're fine for current production +p 38spc.
 
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