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  1. LiveLife

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    CRPA/NRA at work.

    Support "Black Guns Matter" spread 2A message all across the country (20 cities added to 2019 tour) - https://www.gofundme.com/blackgunsmatter?pc=&rcid=r01-155595218966-e38dc36e9f764133

    (4/22/19) "Black Guns Matter" organization promotes gun safety through education


    "LOS ANGELES, Calif. (FOX 11) - 'Guns in the black community' was the topic of a workshop held Saturday night, but not gun violence.

    Inside a classroom at the LAX Firing Range in Inglewood, representatives from the community, Black Guns Matter, and the California Rifle & Pistol Association are teaching gun safety, all through a culturally relevant lens."
     
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    Two comments:
    1. We often hear that much antigun legislation is "feel good" virtue signalling, with little or no practical effect. Well, this is "feel good" legislation from the pro-gun side, since there is no penalty for not arming oneself with an AR-15. In other words, it's a joke.

    2. It's also an "unfunded mandate" since the state is not providing funds to defray the cost of obtaining such a weapon. This is all the more reason why people would laugh at this "requirement."
     
  3. LiveLife

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    For decades, anti-gun law makers have been stacking all sorts of "crazy/unreasonable" bills.

    Well, over time, some of these bills morphed into actual laws, many with significant transformation.

    We can start doing the same and start stacking pro-gun bill after pro-gun bill.

    Never know, some of these bills may morph into actual laws. Even with significant transformation, any pro-gun bills passed is to our benefit.

     
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  4. LiveLife

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    And here is a "bill" with traction to become state law.

    (3/19/19) Missouri Senate Bans All Federal Gun Control Laws in Proposed Bill
    - http://thesentinel.net/politics/mis...fci8CVjfM5OkHp40p3P3JqGCZcuVEBY4J1gUiM9sDr2VY

    Link to bill - https://legiscan.com/MO/text/SB367/id/1900468

    "Missouri may have just made the most monumental step towards freedom and individual liberty since the signing of the Bill of Rights. In an upcoming vote by Missouri’s state senate, the state is expected to pass a bill that would nullify ALL Federal gun laws and regulations, and make enforcement of those laws by federal officers within the State of Missouri a criminal offense. Republicans control both U.S. Senate seats and more than two-thirds of the seats in both the Missouri House and Senate.

    'All federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, court orders, rules, and regulations, whether past, present, or future, which infringe on the people’s right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States I and Section 23 of the Missouri Constitution shall be invalid in this state, shall not be recognized by this state, shall be specifically rejected by this state, and shall be considered null and void and of no effect in this state.'

    For added measure, SB367’s authors went into great detail on what federal laws will be 'considered null and void and of no effect.'

    '(a) Any tax, levy, fee, or stamp imposed on firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition not common to all other goods and services which might reasonably be expected to create a chilling effect on the purchase or ownership of those items by law-abiding citizens;

    (b) Any registering or tracking of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition which might reasonably be expected to create a chilling effect on the purchase or ownership of those items by law-abiding citizens;

    (c) Any registering or tracking of the owners of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition which might reasonably be expected to create a chilling effect on the purchase or ownership of those items by law-abiding citizens;

    (d) Any act forbidding the possession, ownership, or use or transfer of a firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition by law-abiding citizens; and

    (e) Any act ordering the confiscation of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition from law-abiding citizens'


    Such language is designed to guarantee that the measure can’t be worked around or misninterpreted by legislators or law enforcement agencies. This is an example of pro-gun legislation with teeth."
     
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    Unconstitutional on its face. Ever heard of the Supremacy Clause?
     
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    No more unconstitutional than the Sullivan Law.
     
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    Armed Teachers - John Stossel says it's a reasonable idea. Hundreds of schools already allow it.



    John Stossel - The Gun Violence Myth

     
  8. LiveLife

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    John Stossel - The Second Amendment and the Supreme Court of the United States (Thankfully since the video, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh became Supreme Court justices)



    Is Gun Ownership a Right?

    Why the Second Amendment applies to individuals.

     
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    Hearing Protection Act reintroduced in senate - https://americansuppressorassociation.com/category/hearing-protection-act/

    "WASHINGTON, D.C. – On Thursday, March 14th, Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID) and 12 Senators introduced the Hearing Protection Act (HPA) of 2019 in the Senate. A companion bill to Representative Jeff Duncan’s (R-SC-03) H.R. 155, S. 817 intends to remove suppressors from the oppressive National Firearms Act (NFA) … Continue reading"

    Do you want to "DO SOMETHING" to support 2A?

    Take action to deregulate suppressors - https://americansuppressorassociation.com/hearing-protection-act/
     
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  12. GEM

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    That is an empirical question. It is still 4 pro and 4 anti with Roberts as an unknown. We have to see:

    1. Whether the NYC case comes up with positive and unambiguous decision (unlike Heller). NYC wants to stop the case from going forward by ditching the rule. Not being a lawyer, I've read they could still take it under the doctrine that the law could be later re-instated. If taken, will it be decided in a limited fashion that only affects NYC or a general loosening up of carrying restrictions. I'd bet Roberts forces the progun 4 to go for that.
    2. Will they take the Remington lawsuit case. It has three possible outcomes.
    a. They let it proceed, explicitly. That will open up a tremendous number of cases.
    b. They don't take it and let it proceed. That also means others will be filed. It will up to a jury (big risk here).
    c. They uphold the protection of manufacturers and declare the suit void. Will Roberts do that?
    3. They take a state ban case. Roberts like precedents and the numerous turn downs may well move him to support the bans. While 4 can have the cases taken up - would you take it up with Roberts being a risk. He was in favor of Heller - but who knows now?

    So, unless a 5 th clearly progun justice is put in place, SCOTUS is dangerous. Note I didn't say conservative as many conservatives are fine with bans. The Congress is also as the legislation to negate state bans, HPA, reciprocity, etc. is not high on any GOP agenda. They can't wait to ditch them but keep defending the 2nd Amend. for $$$ contributions.

    The PR plan is to introduce them as stated above and then do nothing to get them through.
     
  13. LiveLife

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    I am hoping for pro-2A replacement for justice Ginsburg.

    Had Hillary won 2016 election, we won't be having this discussion at all ... just weeping and wailing from sadness and despair (I bet some in anti-gun crowd is doing just that right now).
     
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    Even if she passes now or next year, the technique used to stall Obama's nominee may come back to freeze the position until after the election. President Democrat-1-of-twenty will appoint someone in favor of gun rights? Haha.

    The nuclear option might be used but would it? Interesting campaign problem as some analysts think Kavanaugh opened a can of beer (oops, worms) that helped lose the House.

    Such things to worry about. If the GOP and Pres. had pushed with all their might in the first two years, even with the small majority in the Senate, they might have done something but they didn't want to. Ryan ditched the bills in a flash. Remember if you win for your supposed cause, you have to look for another job.
     
  15. LiveLife

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    I agree and precisely the reason why we need to keep voting out anti-gun/2A law makers (RINOs) and keep voting in pro-gun/2A law makers.

    To me politicians' talk is cheap and their actions (voting records) speak louder.
     
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    Not to divert but the Pres. is going to speak to the NRA. Wonder if he will be challenged on his 4D dimensional chess move of banning bump stocks? Or will it be another Wayne and Donald pas de deux?

    Given the trouble the NRA is in, who knows? Personally, I'd tell him that if he doesn't proactively speak against the state bans as unconstitutional, tell the AG to support the appeals at SCOTUS and demand action on progun legislation, he won't get a damned cent. The money will go to progun legislators and even primary challenges to the weaklings.
     
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    Yes, it will definitely be interesting moving forward towards 2020 election as to what happens related to 2A. I was disappointed by support President and NRA gave for bump stock ban. In some ways, I rather prefer binary trigger becoming legal in 50 states but this is my opinion only.

    With so many extreme left-leaning candidates that are anti-gun, I am hoping 2020 election will be more contrasting and force people, organizations and law makers to choose sides. I really do feel like 2020 election could be the do or die election for 2A in terms of SCOTUS and rulings that could shape the future of gun rights for decades.

    If Trump is re-elected (And I have a strong feeling he will) and gun owners express their intent more clearly (I believe that's already being done with fervent push from the anti-gun crowd for gun ban), more law makers will likely support 2A or face being voted out.

    God help us.

    As to NRA, I think it's time for them to really wake up and smell the coffee as faces of gun owners may not be the same as 20 years ago.

    Thankfully, their legal support for CA's larger capacity than 10 rounds and Pittsburg's magazine ban along with other legal actions are easing my critical assessment of NRA. IMO, I believe their support of "Black Guns Matter" movement will pay off nicely in converting many voters to gun owners and pro-gun/2A voters for 2020.

    OK, enough of my banter and I will return to updating the thread with positive 2A news, developments and insights.

    If anyone else sees positive 2A news/developments/insights, please post so my morning coffee will keep tasting better and better. :D
     
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    New Study of gun owners' trend - Gun owners' intensity turns "minority in American politics" into outsized force - https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/4/gun-owners-intensity-turns-minority-american-polit/
    • New study done by University of Kansas shows growing political force by gun owners influencing slowed advancement for stiffer gun laws over the past four decades.
    • Study showed higher participation rates by gun owners for political action (contacting elected officials, signing petitions, contributing to campaigns, etc.) compared to non-gun owners.
    • Increasing number of gun owners voted in presidential elections from 1972 to 2016 while decreasing for non-gun owners.
    • Gun control advocates claim this trend is changing but even in light of mass shootings, their claim failed to be the case.
    • Study found high rate of activism was due to gun owners increasingly associating gun ownership with defending the core constitutional right to self defense.
    • Since 1980s, increasing majority of gun owners said they owned guns for protection because it's their right or because of the Second Amendment.
    • For many gun owners, owning a gun because they think it's an essential right guaranteed by the Second Amendment is core part of their political identity.
    • Director of GOA stated study confirms gun owners have higher level of political intensity than gun control activists which helped elect Trump in 2016 and picked up votes from pro-gun Democrats.
     
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  19. LiveLife

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    This is a very good video by Reason Magazine explaining use of arbitrary term "assault weapon" with definition based on appearance and features doesn't make sense as simple thing as putting a thumb around the grip of a rifle makes it an "assault weapon" when the rest of the rifle remains the same.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=171297537150491&t=16

    "I'm not going to say everyone should own an AR-15, but people have their reasons for wanting to have them and the government shouldn't be second-guessing those reasons without a very powerful justification. And the justification offered for banning assault weapons is virtually nonexistent because it doesn't make sense."
     
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    (4/24/19) NRA sues Los Angeles over disclosure law for contractors as it violates First Amendment - https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...xy7SNcEuBJPVl8dxmoMAHE&utm_term=.130b0b3fbed8

    Chuck Michel - https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=808176296228660&id=100011088912909

    "Politicians are free to disagree with the NRA’s pro-freedom, firearm safety, and self-reliance message, but they aren’t free to censor it — as this would do when NRA supporters drop their NRA affiliations for fear of losing work from the City because they get put on this blacklist. This is modern day McCarthyism, and my clients are confident no judge will let it stand."
     
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    (4/26/19) Bill allowing teachers to be armed passes in Florida Senate

     
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    (4/29/19) SCOTUS to City of New York - NRSR&PA v NYC Goes Forward - https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...o-city-of-new-york-nrsrpa-v-nyc-goes-forward/

    "As you probably know, the Supreme Court agreed to hear New York State Rifle & Pistol Association vs. City of New York earlier this year. That case has the potential to be a landmark decision for gun rights on the order of (or possibly exceeding) Heller and McDonald.

    Those who read the legal tea leaves on the anti-gun side have recognized the potential for the case to re-write (read: strike down) gun control lawsacross the country and it has them in a quiet state of panic. So much so, in fact, that the city of New York put the wheels in motion to change the law that’s at issue in the case.

    This was an undisguised, cynical attempt to short-circuit a potential (likely?) adverse ruling by rendering the case moot. Attorneys for the city filed a motion with the court to postpone the proceedings in the case while the city tries to smother it in its sleep.

    The good news is, no matter what the city does, there are exceptions to the mootness doctrine available to the Justices that allow them to hear the case even if the underlying law has changed. And such brazen attempts to sidestep a ruling the respondent wants to avoid tends to anger the nine robed ones.

    Today, the Court denied the city’s motion for a stay. As attorney LKB tells us,

    'The motion they filed was exceptionally weak sauce.In theory, if New York City actually eliminates the regulation/ordinance at issue, then they could move to have the writ dismissed as moot. (That will probably be their next move.). The Court will likely deny that motion, and indicate that mootness will be addressed by the opinion.'

    As in their final opinion once the case is heard and a ruling is handed down. This is very good news."
     
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    Democrat controlled House passes bill to encourage more shooting ranges.

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...ouraging-more-shooting-ranges-to-trumps-desk/

    "The Target Practice and Marksmanship Training Support Act — also known as the Range Bill — passed the House on a bipartisan voice vote yesterday.

    The bill allows for easier access to Pittman-Robertson funds — that’s the tax you pay on every single gun and round of ammunition — to build more shooting ranges around the country and maintain existing facilities."


    (4/29/19) NSSF Commends Congress's passage of "Range Bill' - https://www.nssf.org/nssf-commends-congresss-passage-of-range-bill/

    "NEWTOWN, Conn. — The National Shooting Sports Foundation® (NSSF) ... commends Congress’s passage of the Target Practice and Marksmanship Training Support Act (H.R. 1222). The bipartisan legislation, sponsored by U.S. Reps. Ron Kind (D-Wis.), Rob Bishop (R-Utah) and Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives.

    Companion legislation (S. 94) was previously passed by the Senate. The bill will return to the Senate for a legislative formality, but is expected to pass by unanimous consent as the bill language is identical, and be sent to President Donald Trump for enactment.

    ... The Target Practice and Marksmanship Training Support Act, also known as the 'Range Bill', would allow states to use their allocation of Pittman-Robertson funds to begin construction of new ranges, or improve existing state-run public recreational shooting ranges.

    Currently, states are required to put up 25 percent of the cost of range construction projects to access the matching 75 percent of funds from Pittman-Robertson allocation. This legislation would allow states to access those funds with a 10 percent match and allow states five fiscal years to acquire land for range construction or expansion projects.

    Pittman-Robertson funds are derived from an excise tax paid by firearms and ammunition manufacturers. Since 1937, the fund has generated more than $12.1 billion that has funded wildlife conservation and safety education programs in all 50 states. NSSF estimates more than 80 percent of Pittman-Robertson excise tax contributions are generated by sales attributed to recreational shooting. This means today’s recreational target shooter is an overwhelming contributor to conservation through excise tax support."
     
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    MSNBC reporter defends gun rights during Venezuela coverage :eek::eek::eek:

     
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    Well, OOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!!!!!!
     
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