real life survival story?

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I included the ? because they sure were not prepared. When ever I make a long trip thru wilderness I include food and survival gear, even if it's over hiway 80 from Reno to SF, especially in winter

I'm not saying all that to beat up on them though, I am praying the dad is found alive.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/16166775.htm

Missing S.F. mother, children found safe in Oregon
SEARCH CONTINUES FOR FATHER
By Julia Prodis Sulek and Linda Goldston
Mercury News

A San Francisco mother kept her infant and 4-year-old daughters alive by nursing them both during their nine-day ordeal snowbound in the Oregon mountains before being found Monday.

The only sign of the father, who burned the station wagon tires to keep his family warm and gathered berries to eat, were his footprints in the snow.

James Kim, 35, had left the family Saturday morning, promising to be back by 1 p.m., but he hasn't been seen since. Oregon law enforcement were tracking his footprints, which dipped into a steep icy drainage, into the night.

The family had been missing since Nov. 25, after spending Thanksgiving in Seattle. They were heading back home and had stopped at a Denny's Restaurant in Roseburg, Ore., where they were last seen.

Numerous Oregon law enforcement agencies, from county sheriffs to the national guard, have been dedicated to the search over the past nine days. But it was a private helicopter apparently hired by the Kims' relatives that spotted the vehicle after signals from the Kims' attempted cell phone calls were tracked to a tower near the vehicle.

``The fact they were found is miraculous,'' said San Francisco Police Inspector Angela Martin. ``She held up an umbrella with SOS written on it. She was that smart to save her babies and herself.''

When the father is found, Martin added, ``I'll be able to breathe again.''

Kati Kim, 30, and her children, Penelope, 4, and Sabine, 7 months, were in fair condition when they were airlifted to a hospital from their stranded silver Saab 900 station wagon 30 miles west of Grants Pass. Through the helicopter window, the mother was seen holding her swaddled infant close to her chest.

The Kim story is reminiscent of the ordeal endured by James Stolpa and his wife and infant son in 1993. When the Paso Robles family became snowbound in northwestern Nevada, James Stolpa left his family in a sleeping bag in a natural cave, where the mother nursed her son for three days until Stolpa found help.

Today is the third day James Kim -- a senior editor at San Francisco tech Web site Cnet -- has been separated from his family.

After leaving Portland Nov. 25 and stopping for dinner in Roseburg, the Kims headed to Gold Beach on the coast where they planned to stay before heading back to San Francisco.

But they took Bear Camp Road -- a scenic road used by whitewater rafters on the Rogue River in the summer, but not plowed in the winter.

``It was pretty wet. It was snowing close to the top,'' said Lt. Gregg Hastings of the Oregon State Police. ``They felt it wasn't safe to continue. They were trying to back down a very narrow road in the snow. They were having traction problems.''

They reached a side road and followed it until they got stuck in a snowbank, he said.

``They used quite a bit of gas trying to get out,'' which they finally did, Hastings said.

But as they continued on for several miles, they reached a fork in the road and decided to stop.

``It was pretty dark out,'' Hastings said. ``At that point, they decided to stay because they were lost.''

The snow continued on top of the mountain, making it hard for rescuers to find them, he said.

But on Monday afternoon, the vehicle was located along with Kati Kim waving her SOS umbrella. At the hospital, she told staff that ``she breast fed both of her children during the nine days,'' said Laura Biggers, marketing director of the parent company of Three Rivers Community Hospital in Grants Pass.

The wait for family and friends in the Bay area has been torturous.

The couple owned two boutiques in San Francisco -- ``Doe,'' a clothing store on Haight Street, and the Church Street Apothecary, said Charlene Wright, the Apothecary store manager.

``It's really emotional,'' Wright said. ``I'm here putting fresh flowers in the vases to make sure it looks good when Kati gets home.''

Kati Kim worked at the store until her second child, Sabine, was born, and still ``calls us constantly to check in on the stores,'' Wright said.

Wright last talked to the Kims the day before Thanksgiving and had expected to hear from Kati Kim the following Saturday.

``When they headed up, they weren't planning on the being in the snow,'' she said, adding: ``They're a beautiful family, dedicated, loving. They're just fantastic folks to know.''

Cell phone tower designer and volunteer Eric Fuqua, who used Edge Wireless data to detect the pings from the Kims' failed phone calls, ``was the key in this,'' Inspector Martin said.

``As far as I'm concerned, he's the hero,'' Martin said.
 
a little more

Mom, children found in Oregon

By PETER FIMRITE AND JAXON VAN DERBEKEN
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE

GRANTS PASS, Ore. -- They ran the heater in their station wagon until the car was out of gas. They burned all the tires in hopes that someone would spot the smoke. And when the food ran out, Kati Kim breastfed her two young daughters.
Kati Kim
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Kati Kim talks with rescue personnel Monday after she and her two daughters, Sabine, 7 months, and Penelope, 4, were rescued about 35 miles west of Grants Pass, Ore. Searchers still are looking for her husband, James Kim.

Hope was running low as well for the Kim family nine days after they became stuck in the snowy mountains of southwestern Oregon while making their way from Seattle toward home in San Francisco. Then, at 1:45 p.m. Monday, Kim spotted a helicopter her family had hired to help look for her. She waved an umbrella on which she had taped reflective striping, and she and the girls were saved.

Now the hope is that her husband, James Kim, is still alive. Kim, 35, left the family to look for help Saturday morning dressed in a jacket, sweater and blue jeans and carrying snowshoes. Searchers spotted his tracks in the snow and were looking for him Monday night.

Kati Kim, 30, and her daughters, 4-year-old Penelope and 7-month-old Sabine, were found with the family car just off Bear Camp Road, a little-used mountain route across the Coast Range from Grants Pass to the coastal town of Gold Beach.

The three were taken to Three Rivers Community Hospital in Grants Pass, where they were in good condition. Sabine was kept overnight for observation.

"They are in remarkably good shape for spending nine days in the wilderness," said Undersheriff Brian Anderson of Josephine County in Oregon.

Penelope's first substantial meal since the night of Nov. 25 consisted of a hamburger and Cheetos chased down by hot chocolate. Kati Kim ate chicken and mashed potatoes and asked for a fast-food fish sandwich.

The family had survived on snacks and a bit of water they had with them. In recent days, Kati Kim breastfed the children.

James Kim left his family with their 2005 Saab station wagon at 7:45 a.m. Saturday and said he would return by 1 p.m. that day, authorities said. He walked 2 miles along the same road they had driven and then went into a creek drainage, where two trackers were trying to follow his footprints.

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Anderson said tracking dogs and night-vision equipment would be used in the search.

James Kim is a senior editor at Cnet, a tech news Web site in San Francisco. He and his wife also own two stores in the city -- Doe, a clothing store on lower Haight Street, and the Church Street Apothecary in Noe Valley, which sells baby goods and organic skin care products.

The family left San Francisco on Nov. 18 on a vacation and work trip for James Kim. They spent Thanksgiving in Seattle with relatives and then went to Portland, where they had brunch with a friend Nov. 25. Then they left for a stopover in Gold Beach, visiting a chamber of commerce in a Portland suburb along the way to ask for a map for a scenic route.

The road they chose, Bear Camp Road out of Grants Pass, roughly parallels the Rogue River and has stunning views of the Coast Range. But it is narrow, steep in spots and lightly traveled even in the summer. It is normally closed in the winter.

The Kims didn't even reach the road until well after dark, having eaten dinner that night in the central Oregon town of Roseburg. It's about 55 miles down I-5 from Roseburg to Grants Pass and then another 55 miles over the Coast Range to Gold Beach.

Around the Bear Camp Viewpoint high in the mountains, the Kims went onto a spur road in an attempt to turn around, traveled about 2 miles and got stuck in the snow, said Lt. Gregg Hastings of the Oregon State Police.

Searchers had tracked the family to the Bear Camp area by tracing signals from a cell phone the Kims were carrying. The Kims couldn't make a call, but their attempt was enough to narrow the search area. Anderson said the effort was "critical" in finding Kati Kim and the children before it was too late.

The area is the same one where six people spent 17 snowbound days in a motor home before being rescued in March.
 
They were trying to back down a very narrow road in the snow. They were having traction problems.
I wonder if they had snow tires on the car. Being from California, I suspect they did not. Probably had all-seasons on the car.

I learned this lesson years ago. If there's even a chance of snow, I mount up my snow tires. That alone might have saved them.
 
This time of year I'd stay on the Interstate (I-5) or go straight to the 101 out of WA. Taking a detour through the smaller backroads in mountainous areas of OR this time of year is not wise.
 
"... ``When they headed up, they weren't planning on the being in the snow,'' she said,..."


But they went anyway, driving on a snow choked, mountainous, dirt road ... with virtually NO survival gear.

Happens all the time, even here in Idaho, where you'd think the residents would be a bit smarter about winter driving in remote, dangerous areas.

But no..... :eek:

Darwin time.

L.W.
 
Armed Traveler

Situations like this make a good case for keeping a 12ga shotgun with flares in the car. An H&R "Survivor" with a mixed bag of various shot/slug shells and a dozen 12ga flares would not take up much room. It would be legal in almost every state, and might provide a bit of sustenance. If nothing else, it makes a dandy signaling device.

Heard on the news tonight that the search team found a pair of pants along the creek they think the father was following. I'm really praying that he makes it.
 
Doesn't look good. I can't think of any rational reason to go off-road when he's already lost. The road is the only reference point he has.
 
Doesn't look good for the Father. There's no logical reason to take off your pants in that kind of weather.

Biker
 
Just announced by ABC radio, Father found dead.

It amazes me that people go out in bad (winter) weather unprepared.
 
I wish I could show this to my ex girlfriend

She would always harp on me for things like using real maps
instead of yahoo maps, she always complained about me buying a shovel to keep in the car, keeping water in the car,keeping a gun with me when driving.
She thought I was crazy for taking survival gear for trips over route 80 from san francisco to reno.

nature is pretty.
but.
Red in tooth and claw.
 
GUNSMITH - "She thought I was crazy for taking survival gear for trips over route 80 from san francisco to reno."


Maybe she didn't know that was the route selected by the Donner Party. :uhoh:


L.W.
 
I think too many people just refuse to believe it can happen to them. When I was at Ft Wainwright AK in 1983 the command had a policy of requiring soldiers to carry survival gear in their POVs. I don't think the government should compel people to carry basic survival necessities, but a few blankets, a couple of candles some food and water might have made all the difference.

Unfortunately too many people think their cell phone works everywhere and help is always just a few minutes away.

Jeff
 
From what they said, this family did make an effort to take extra food and warm clothing, probably the reason three of them survived.

I'm just guessing here, but I think it might have something to do with the husband being a CNet editor. It's hard to imagine a guy like that not bringing some kind of hightech gadget. He may have thought he was prepared and got caught out of his element. Very sad ending.
 
A sad ending. I really feel for the wife and young kids, who will grow up without their dad.

I am somewhat surprised that someone like Mr. Kim, who, given his job as an editor at a technology news website was probably a "geek head" (and I mean that in a good way), would not have had a GPS, either in the vehicle or a handheld unit. Knowing his location, along with a proper map (and backup compass), might have made a difference.

Snow tires, or snow chains may have helped avoid the stranding and the necessity for rescue in the first place.

Should rescue have been necessary, for the well-equipped, a Personal Locator Beacon (see, e.g., http://www.equipped.com/plb_legal.htm) would likely have made this an easy rescue and a minor rescue story.

Like I said, a sad ending.

Stay safe,
david.
 
Even sadder, had Kim walked down the road in the other direction, he would have reached a closed hunting lodge in less than two miles.

This site has a great map overview of the area, as well as Kim's route on foot seeking help. It also has several 3D views showing the dramatic change in elevation in the gully he went into.

http://www.layoutscene.com/james-kim-path/index.html

That final map showing the distance to Hwy 5 and safety seems to suggest that the closed hunting lodge was probably the best chance Kim had of finding any type of help in that area. Here is a link to the satellite view via Google Maps: http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...988,-123.747559&spn=0.00258,0.008116&t=h&om=1 This view is centered on where the car was stranded (right at the intersection of the two roads).
 
Every year or two we get a reminder from an incident like this that no
matter how technologically advanced we become nature still holds all the cards and can deal a crap hand if she feels like it.

There simply is no substitute for taking the time and effort to learn how to
plan for survival. If you cannot or will not prepare to survive consider leaving the family car behind and using public transport. Its hard to get lost when you take Amtrack or Greyhound.

Many people have become indifferent to nature because they rarely feel it's
true power.
 
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