Real world average 25 yard grouping.

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Jack B. said:
At the 3 ranges I regularly go to there is only 1 shooter that can put every shot from his 9mm Glock into the head area ( -o ) of an IDPA target at 45 feet and only about 90% of the time shooting free hand. He is a range officer and a firearms instructor that spends a good part of the day practicing. Seems like a lot of imagination and bragging going on here. Or like I said , there are a lot of lousy hand gunners at the ranges I go to. IMO.:)
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I’ve never shot an at a regular range since I live in the country and most everyone out here has their own ranges of some sort, but if the best shooter at the 3 ranges you frequent can only hit a man sized head 90% of the time from 15 yards, then yes, it would seem to me that there aren’t many good shooters there.

And I do know that there are a lot of internet dead eye dicks that likely can’t back up their claimed accuracy.
 
Agreed, I think people get confused about how far a hundred yards really is, it ain't that far. When the jackrabbit population was at its peak here you could get shots anywhere from 20 yards to way past 200. Most of mine were around 60 to 100 yards. I used .22s, 38/357, and black powder .44s all hand guns. Most of the time I average around 50 percent hit to shot fired so not too bad.
 
I see some sad targets at the local ranges. I remember one time being a couple of lanes over from someone shooting a handgun with a laser on it. The laser dot would track around the target pretty frantically staying mostly in the center torso region and then dive to the bottom of the target for the shot. The person was shooting at a life-sized silhouette at about 3 yards and making something like 2 foot groups centered maybe 2 feet low on the target.

That was a memorably bad example, but it's definitely rare to see someone doing anything worthwhile at 15 yards. Mostly I see people blazing away at much closer ranges with minute of torso sized groups.
 
I cut my range grass down to the super short "find yer brass" length today, all the way back to 50 yd.

It's been a while so this may be a learning experience for me to when I get out there to shoot it.
 
Keith G said:
Seen lots of posts/threads showing a “best” grouping with a hand gun at 25 yards, but not as many with an average grouping for the shooter. Walked out into my woods today and figured I’d give it a go. Shot 5 rounds as a warm up, then three 5 round groups. Everything counted. True 25 yards, 2 handed, standing, unsupported. Looks like my groups average right at 4.75”. Consider myself an average shooter. Kind of fun and nerve racking knowing there are no throw away shots/groups.

I know there are serious shooters that do amazing things, but I’m just a guy that lives in the country and use my firearms as tools and for some fun. That’s the type of shooter that I’m interested in hearing from.

5.5” 357 SA
Shooting 158 grain LSWC 38 hand loads.
The top hole on each target is for hanging it.
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You can look through this thread here on single action guns, you can also look at other 10 shot challenges done with auto-loaders
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...n-old-west-revolver-10-shot-challenge.848334/

a lot of things will matter, type of sights, where you held the sights on target. We used a B-16 25 yd slow fire target, the black measures 5 1/4 the target with 5 ring measures 9 1/2 inches.

I always measured groups but when we started these challenges scores mattered not group size, I shot targets that grouped better but scored less. We showed our best of, which gives a clue to what was NOT best of lol. At 25 yds keeping 10 shots in the black is less common for me than scoring hits in the outside rings .

Fact is with a fixed sight gun even though it groups good is it precise toward center or high or low or to the side, adjustable sights are better that way. A fixed sight single action six shooter if it shoots high you can file the sight but if low or windage is off you are stuck.
 
lionking said:
A fixed sight single action six shooter if it shoots high you can file the sight but if low or windage is off you are stuck.
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I believe you mean that if it shoots low you can file the front sight. Otherwise you are somewhat stuck, beyond altering loads to change POI.
 
Well I shot a magazine from 25 tonight. First shots on the range, reloads 9mm, Colt Gov. Shot at a 12"x12" steel target and all ten hit it but they were all over it. I'd call it a 12" group, if that is a group.

May be tomorrow I'll shoot some of these reloads from a sand bag or something to see what the gun and ammo combo can do before I take all the blame.
 
Keith G said:
I believe you mean that if it shoots low you can file the front sight. Otherwise you are somewhat stuck, beyond altering loads to change POI.
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yep what I meant, shooting low lower the front sight. Which based on your targets it looks like it shoots good. If you have other guns besides single action we have two challenges going on now if you wanna get in on it,

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ular-leo-autoloader-10-shot-challenge.853691/

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ary-surplus-handgun-10-shot-challenge.853686/
 
lionking said:
yep what I meant, shooting low lower the front sight. Which based on your targets it looks like it shoots good. If you have other guns besides single action we have two challenges going on now if you wanna get in on it,

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ular-leo-autoloader-10-shot-challenge.853691/

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ary-surplus-handgun-10-shot-challenge.853686/
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Fun to look through those threads. I only have single actions in center fire.

The front sight on this one has been filed a bit. Feel like it could use a touch more, but that gets into dangerous territory of taking off too much.
 
Keith G said:
Fun to look through those threads. I only have single actions in center fire.

The front sight on this one has been filed a bit. Feel like it could use a touch more, but that gets into dangerous territory of taking off too much.
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Two of the three targets you posted most hits are center mass, I wouldn't take anymore off the sight either.
 
My 25yd groups fit inside the 9 ring of a B8 target (5 1/2"). That would be standing, 2 hand grip, unsupported. I've been shooting at that size target at around that distance, and further, for decades.
However,
I practice a lot. Currently 2 or 3 times a week
The B8 target has been a target of choice for a long time.
I reload.
I don't keep handguns that won't shoot that well for me. ( that''s usually because the handgun and I aren't a good fit not because the handgun isn't that accurate)
 
A good group with open sight double action I would say is right around 6-7”.

I only have DAs and only shoot them for real world groups DA. SA only drops the group maybe an inch so to me it’s not really worth wasting the DA function since I have it.

Plus I use revolvers for SD and only shoot them DA so it’s good practice.
 
This is a fun topic...one I need to take up.

I have a 627 that I've had reworked and use for DA 38 shooting only. I typically shoot 10yds with the thing, but I think I'll give this one a shot. I'll do the same with my Super Redhawk and 44 spcl.

I agree...plenty of internet commandos and absurd claims. I'm not saying that there aren't top tier pistol shooters out there, I'm saying there aren't many. I shoot so little standing 25 yds, I'll be more than pleased if I keep it to 6". We'll see...to be continued...
 
62492104-463A-4D17-AF14-0972014F25CD.jpeg 40 rounds today. A couple of good groups, and a bunch of “average” groups. Seems like every day of shooting I have one thing I am doing wrong. Today was clearly pulling shots to the left. Possibly had to do with the angle of the sun, more likely an uncooperative trigger finger.

Targets are printed on 8.5 x 11 paper.
25 yards.
 
Jack Ryan said:
Well I shot a magazine from 25 tonight. First shots on the range, reloads 9mm, Colt Gov. Shot at a 12"x12" steel target and all ten hit it but they were all over it. I'd call it a 12" group, if that is a group.

May be tomorrow I'll shoot some of these reloads from a sand bag or something to see what the gun and ammo combo can do before I take all the blame.
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Same gun, same ammo, from the same spot on the same range, same full magazine for shots fired on the same target. Only difference was the time of day.

6 inch group today and on the smaller target next to it, I got a 4 or 5 inch group with the next mag.
 
Geez, 35 Whelen, scoot back a few dozen yards, you’re embarrassing us mere mortals.
 
Keith G said:
Geez, 35 Whelen, scoot back a few dozen yards, you’re embarrassing us mere mortals.
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Don't be embarrassed! Living where I do, shooting handguns is something I have the privilege of doing as often and as much as I like. As such I shoot (and cast and handload) very, very regularly. And as with anything any of us do on a regular basis, proficiency follows. If anyone here shot as much as I do, they'd be better than me, I assure you!

35W
 
Well, I can walk out my front door and shoot as much as I want as well, and hand load also, and my groups aren’t approaching that. Guess I need to spend more time shooting and less time tending to our farm. I’ll try to explain to the animals that they might miss a few feedings, but it’s for the good cause of shrinking my groups. :)
 
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