Recall campaign in Colorado

[Vette]

The petition for recalling Giron is going pretty well right now. As of last weekend, we had just over half of the signatures we need to force the recall. The local Dems must be getting nervous, because there was an article in the local paper yesterday that quoted the county clerk and some other local politicians (all Dems, of course) saying that the recall election would cost the city/county over $250,000. Given the budget problems we have, I'd imagine that news was meant to scare off some folks who might be sitting on the fence right now. Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic that the recall will happen, but this is a VERY heavily Dem area, and for the most part Giron hasn't pissed off many people besides gun owners/2nd Amendment supporters, so collecting the other half of the signatures is going to be tough. One interesting note - the local Walmarts won't let us circulate petitions in front of their stores, apparently they've taken some heat in the past from people complaining about petition gatherers being a little too aggressive. And since it's private property, it's their call, of course. Fortunately the K-Mart and lots of other places are OK with us being there. I'll try and keep this thread updated as more news develops.

I would guess Co lost a lot more than $250,000 in tourism, tax revenue, lost companies moving out of state ect. The dems didn't care about that when they voted. so I don't see any problem spending money on a recall.

 

[cologuy]

Magnumwill and Merl - You're both partly right. The recall against Morse has passed both the challlenges, the number and validity of the signatures, and the wording of the recall itself. The Governor now has to set a date for the recall election unless the courts issue an injuction delaying it until they have a chance to rule on the case that the Morse team will surely file.

Since the Giron recall was filed a week later than the Morse recall, all of the deadlines for her challenges are later. As far as I know, the 3rd was her last day to challenge signatures but I haven't heard anything yet. And her challenge of the wording of the recall won't be ruled on until next week, but since the Sec of State already said the Morse wording was correct I don't expect her challenge to go anywhere - she's just buying time so the Dems can figure out more ways to try and wiggle out of this. The longer they can drag this out, the more money they can collect from outside sources, and if they can push it off until closer to November, they might be able to convince people to not support the recall since the general election will be coming up.

If the same district judge rules on their injuction to delay the recalls like she did on the injuction by the Sheriffs in CO to delay the new laws, they still might have a chance to beat the recalls. The judge seems to be more than slightly anti-2A, but I don't know enough about her to be sure.

This thing is going to be a cliff hanger - stay tuned.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

The local Dems must be getting nervous, because there was an article in the local paper yesterday that quoted the county clerk and some other local politicians (all Dems, of course) saying that the recall election would cost the city/county over $250,000. Given the budget problems we have, I'd imagine that news was meant to scare off some folks who might be sitting on the fence right now.

As opposed to how much was spent during the election campaigns for any given candidate, such as Giron, in the first place, hmmm?

They ought to be careful about crying foul with election budget concerns...somebody just might think to look all that information up and post it.

 

[longknife12]

Fear not, Blooie will pay for it, it's the precedent it sets!
Dan

 

[Old Fuff]

What I think they are really worried about is the number of signers exceeded the number of votes they got during the regular election. If they can't get more of the faithful to the polls on election day, and the petition signers show up because they have an axe to grind.....

Oh well.

 

[Radagast]

A chicken can only run around the pen squawking until the axe falls. It will still run around, but now voiceless, for a little longer after that, then it goes away. Politicians are much the same.
So having an axe to grind is a good idea. Except to the chicken.

 

[cologuy]

OK, now things are starting to get interesting again. See if you can keep up with me here.

As you know, both recall petitions got enough signatures to force recall elections. As you also know, both recall subjects, Giron and Morse, challenged the wording of the petitions and their lawyers filed suits with the district court. In the last few days, the Governor, who is required by the State constitution to set a recall election date, hasn't exactly challenged the recall requirements as much as just plain ignored them, hoping that the courts will issue some sort of ruling to delay or cancel the recalls. So now, over the weekend, the Secretary of State has filed suit against the Governor to force him to set an election date, citing the need for county clerks to make proper arrangements, which obviously takes a few weeks. Also, one of the district court judges hearing the petition challenges has recused himself.

The end result of all of this is that now there is just one judge hearing both petition challenges and the suit against the Governor, and he's combined them all into one session due to be heard Wednesday (tomorrow). It promises to be a real circus, with three rings full of lawyers, protesters (on both sides, although I haven't heard anything "official" from the pro-2A folks), local "influential citizens", newsies, and who knows who else. I don't know much about the judge, but I have high hopes that all of the rulings come out in our favor and we can finally get on with business. I'll keep you posted as soon as I hear.

 

[Ryanxia]

Keep us updated cologuy! Hopefully there will be plenty of pro 2A folks there and hopefully it will all go through. A citizen's initiative is one of the last powerful legal acts the American people can do to defend themselves from their own government without resorting to force.

 

[HKGuns]

Beyond ridiculous. The ruling class appears to believe they are above the law now in this Country. Lawsuits, based on technicalities to thwart the will of the people and the rule if law.

I've had it with these flim flam artists and everyone else should be fed up as well.

 

[akv3g4n]

Looks like the judges ruling got delayed until this afternoon to see if the recall petitions are valid? Good luck guys.

 

[hso]

Good luck! If by COB today you have a favorable ruling from the judge there will be a huge message sent. If the ruling does not allow the recalls to go forward what are the reasons? Poor wording on the petitions or a complete rejection?

 

[C.F. Plinker]

Channel 9 is reporting that the recall elections can go forward.

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/345756/222/Colo-judge-wont-block-recalls-over-gun-votes

 

[mrvco]

I'm seriously glad to see this proceeding.

 

[MErl]

Anyone know if challengers are getting their ducks in a row? Forming up behind one challenger for each of them?

There won't be much time once the date is set, no primary etc. Would hate to have the vote get split against them and they stay.

 

[longknife12]

Amazing what grass roots with principles can do!
Dan

 

[C.F. Plinker]

The election is scheduled for September 10.

 

[Ryanxia]

FANTASTIC! Now don't waste it Colorado. Get someone to back and get them in!

 

[Njal Thorgeirsson]

Might want to read this, especially if you are a Colorado resident.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/30/c...for-all-under-new-dem-sponsored-election-law/

 

[MErl]

yeah, I'm thinking of a word that starts with F and rhymes with broad. That is what was expected with the election changes though.

 

[Ryanxia]

Might want to read this, especially if you are a Colorado resident.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/30/c...for-all-under-new-dem-sponsored-election-law/

Well that certainly mixes it up. CO residents definitely need to be aware of that.

 

[coloradokevin]

And, for anyone who doesn't want to read that link, here is the critical information:

In yet another twist in the recall elections against gun control-supporting Democrats, it appears that anyone in the state of Colorado can vote on whether Senate President John Morse and Sen. Angela Giron get the boot or stay in office.



...

As reported by the Colorado Observer, the strict wording of the law can be interpreted to mean that anyone who has lived anywhere in Colorado for at least 22 days prior to the Sept. 10 recall elections can register to vote in Morse’s and Giron’s districts, all the way up until the day of the election, whether they live in those districts or not.

All that’s required under the new law is for prospective voters to tell election staff that they intend to move to those districts in the future. Those voters don’t actually have to – state officials have no way of following up on such promises.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/30/c...new-dem-sponsored-election-law/#ixzz2ae4W00CF



This is an interesting twist that I didn't expect. But, if that's the way the law is going to be officially interpreted, then our side had better be sure to prepare to get some voters there... because you know the other side is going to be seeking out young voters at Boulder colleges, etc.

We can absolutely win these recall elections, and the number of signatures gathered during the campaign to force the recall is evident of that. But, if the rules are changing regarding the handling of these recalls, then the folks who support our cause really need to be informed about it. This probably gives us a good "grass roots" opportunity, since we don't necessarily need the media to help spread the word. Perhaps RMGO or the NRA can arrange a car/bus pool to the election site for this event?


PLEASE keep in mind that these recall elections are one of our best chances to send a clear and convincing message to the gun-grabbing politicians that this sort of legislative behavior will NOT be tolerated by Colorado voters. There hasn't yet been a recall in the century+ history of the recall law (from my understanding), and two politicians who were pivotal players in these new gun laws are currently facing recall. If they fall in these elections it could certainly pave the way for a brighter future in Colorado!

 

[longknife12]

This is only the tip of what this bunch passed this year!
Dan

 

[Trunk Monkey]

My personal opinion is that both will resign on Sept. 8th

 

[C.F. Plinker]

In Colorado, if the person subject to the recall petition resigns within 5 days of the petition being certified the political party can designate his or her replacement. Otherwise the election must be held within 60 days. At that election the ballot will have two parts. The first part asks if the person should be recalled. The second is an election of his/her replacement and only comes into play if the recall is approved.

So far, I haven't heard of any names being submitted for the second part of the ballot.

 

[Ryanxia]

In Colorado, if the person subject to the recall petition resigns within 5 days of the petition being certified the political party can designate his or her replacement. Otherwise the election must be held within 60 days. At that election the ballot will have two parts. The first part asks if the person should be recalled. The second is an election of his/her replacement and only comes into play if the recall is approved.

So far, I haven't heard of any names being submitted for the second part of the ballot.

The time is fast approaching, CO needs to pick two new candidates and start gathering support for them ASAP.