Recovering from mace/OC/pepper spray

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Okay, some of you may think I am an idiot for wanting to do this, but I am generally interested in the effects of defensive sprays. I am probably going to let someone blast me with some pepper spray this weekend for educational purposes and am wondering what the best way to recover from it afterwards?

I have read several things about just using water and soap, etc, but is there any alternative? Also, I wear contacts, should I take these out before I have this done to me or leave them in? I definitely don't want to cause any permanent damage to myself, I am just intrigued by non-lethal stuff like this. I have been tasered before (very interesting), and if I do end up doing this I will likely have someone film it and probably post it on the boards here.
 
I'd sure take out the contacts!!! I don't think you need to be that realistic.

Capsaicin (aka capsicum) is the active ingredient it pepper spray (and jalepenos). It is some sort of oil and is not water soluable so washing with water, while offering some benefit obviously, is not going to be your answer. I crushed some of those pizza peppers (you know that come in the shaker thing) at a pizza place one time before sprinkling them on my food. I moment later, something got in my eye and I touched my eye with my hands...covered with the capsaicin. I thought I was going to die! Water just didn't help much at all...it spreads it around. Try eating some really hot Indian food and try to wash it down with water or beer. Bad idea. Actually had an Indian waiter tell me to be sure not to touch the food to my lips!

At any rate, you need something with a little oil in it to wash up. Milk is much better to wash out ones mouth after eating very hot food than is water. There must be some sort of product out there (some sort of eye drops) that would work better than water. Don't use milk in the eye...not based on my comments that's for sure.

At any rate, look for something safe besides water with which to rinse. What that will be I don't know.
 
I was stationed in Germany with the army a few years ago. My buddies got maced by some Russian gangsters at a strip club...anyways, another guy had the NBC decon kit in his trunk which contains a bunch of charcoal wipes you use to wipe off chemicals. It worked extremely well. Immediately after the NBC guy wiped off his face the burn was gone. Then he went to bathroom and spread some of the mace in a bad way. We let him decontaminate himself in that area. I guess you could make your own by just rubbing some charcoal on a rag or something like that.
 
Kitchen remedy

Activated charcoal might not be readily available; "Decon" kit, etc.

But perhaps plain old cornstarch? It is certaily absorbent and mild.
You know, close your eyes and dust your face and wipe.

Now, I have seen several strong cops standing up to Taser electrocution for demonstration. So, who is available for tear jerking? For science.
 
It's going to burn (really bad) for about 45 minutes. The best you can do is tough it out for that time. Don't go near water or stand in front of a fan...water and cool air may seem like it helps but once you step back the burning is worse. After the OC is all cry and crystalized, take a shower and use baby shampoo and scrub as good as you can. (Note: bend over in the shower while doing this, the OC will reactivate a bit upon contact with water...you don't need that stuff running down onto your junk.) It will burn for a bit again, but the more you can get off, the better you will be next time you sweat/take another shower. :uhoh:
 
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Water and Air work very well on OC andcam. I know what I'm talking about as I had to go through an OC/pepper spray certification for LE. The instructor who teaches it has been using OC for over 30 years and he says Water and air are the best ways to clear the stuff. The crap I got hit with was LE grade it it was painful to say the least bit. Just toughing it out is the worst way to go. Also don't rub your eyes, stick you face it a garden hose till you get most of it off and then pat your face with paper towels (don't wipe just pat your face).
 
they work for a bit...i don't know though maybe it's just a personal preference? It did seem like it hurt a bit more when I got away from the hose and fan though. Oh well.
 
Worst 2 days of my life. Felt like someone took boiling hot oil and mixed sand with it and threw it in my face. Then we had to run a 500 yard mcmap (Marine Corps Martial Arts) course.
 
Oh yeah. I like how they tell you they are going to aim for the eyebrow area so it falls into your eyes... and then proceed to hit you directly in the eye sockets.
 
The OC is no joke. Our platoon had to go through the training with it before deployment. It just plain hurts. And keeps hurting.
 
+1 baby shampoo. I used to get sprayed regularly while quallifying others. Make sure you don't have anything important to do the rest of the day, and before you take a shower, wear swim trunks or it's going on your bits and pieces, and that will be worse than getting your face sprayed.
 
I've worked EMS for about 10 years now and whenever the local police dept sprays someone the only thing that we do when we get called over there is wash out their eyes and rinse off the skin with lots and lots of water. Sometimes we'll get fancy and try and jerry rig a nasal cannula onto a 1000CC bag of fluids and place the cannula openings on their tear ducts and let that run outwards onto their eyes, but usually their skin's burning too so we basically just end up hosing them down. Every single person I've ever rinsed off has always ended up looking like a drowned rat.

There are also sprays and wipes that supposedly lessen the effects of the pepper spray. I keep trying to get the cops to buy some of it, but they haven't so far (water's free for them and they don't really mind if they're slobbering all over themselves for the 20 minutes it usually takes before they're semi-okay again).

Pepper Spray Neutralizer

Sabre Decon Soothe and Cleanse

Bio-Shield Pepper Spray Decon Spray
 
No contacts.

Plenty of water and baby shampoo, as it doesn't add to the stinging.

It takes at least 10-15 minutes to get comfortably functional for some, less for others. You will need an attendant and supplies on site at hand to minimize wandering off into a hazard. Outdoors is best, obviously in warm weather. You will get all wet.

OC sprays come in various strengths. Some LEO strengths aren't locally available, but the civilian stuff should do enough to give the idea.

Wherever it's sprayed will need to be hosed down so that secondary contamination of others is minimized. Cats are curious enough to try it - but not the second time, if my experience with jalapenos is a guide.

With all that in mind, the LEO's I knew always got some on them, and they were careful where they put their hands after handling a suspect. Extensive hand washing before using the latrine is advised.
 
The comercial solutions work fairly well, but a decent back-up is non-skim milk, as the capsaicin binds better to fats; a milky towel should take most of the sting out fairly quickly.
 
Does it feel anything like a welders burn? If so the onlything I could come up with was going to sleep.
 
Copied my post from another thread:

As part of my police training I had to make contact with a "suspect" which resulted in being sprayed in the face with pepper spray (18%). I then had to knee strike/take down an instructor who came at me (he was wearing protective gear). After that I walked "briskly" over (with other instructors pulling me for some reason) to a man sized target at approx 14 feet away, and I had to shoot until the instructors told me to stop (7 rounds in a 4 inch circle, not bad ). To finish it off I had to radio dispatch about what just happened.

This is what I learned:

First off, Pepper spray's effects are completely subjective. Prior to being sprayed numerous of my friends told me that you would be completely unable to keep your eyes open after being sprayed. They also said it was absolutely horrible.

In my situation pepper spray was completely ineffective. After seeing a video tape of myself, I noticed that I initially did a shrug of my head (Maybe in a sub conscience attempt to shake it off) but other then that you would have no idea what happened. I went into the situation with absolute certainty that I was going to keep my eyes open the entire time. I did close them initially (I heard you couldn't open them after closing them for the first time) but after that I had them open. The pain wasn't anywhere near what people made it out to be. I did have a rather nasty taste in my mouth (Identical to the taste found in many really hot hot sauces). After 15 minutes the pain started to get a bit worse in my left eye because some of the spray ran into the corner of my eye. The bright sunny day outside really didn't help either.

I found out how effective it can be against some people. I ended up going back and helping other class mates through it (Directing them to water and a fan). Many of them were crying and almost 100% incapacitated. All of them fought through the same scenario I did however, which proves your still capable of a lot even after a direct spray to the face. Overall I would say that pepper spray is effective in 80 to 85 percent of cases that its used properly, in my experience.

What to expect if your sprayed:

Initially you will feel a rush of heat. Followed by a sharp pain (Similar to a sun burn). Standing in front of a fan eliminates the pain almost 100% from what I hear, I can vouch that the wind from running a bit helps a lot. Water does almost nothing. Expect lots of snot, in quantities you would think are impossible. This is good because the snot will cool you face. The effects will last around 30 to 50 minutes. The sun will hurt bad, much like a sunburn. I never touched my eyes, which might have been why I fared well. I say many people rubbing their eyes, which could certainly have caused issues.

You can fight through it, and yes you can keep your eyes open (Again I did, however most people in my class couldn't, they had to hold their eyes open to take shots). Pepper spray should never be used if a deadly force situation is present, unless its your only option.

EDIT: To ad a bit of information:

Most of the people I have talked to say that it would be hard for them to fight not so much due to the pain, but because they couldn't see anything (Aka couldn't keep their eyes open). In my case since I could see 100% (Minus the fact I didn't have my contacts in which obviously affected m vision) that wouldn't be an issue thus I (and anyone else that could keep their eyes open) would still be a significant threat.
Really, if your going to get sprayed, all you need is a hose to initially wash your face, and a fan to sit in front of. The fan should take away 99% of the pain away. Of course since your likely only going to get pepper spray at less then 10%, you should just man up and sit it out :p
 
I don't know what 10% is like, I have only been hit with 18%. I figure it wont be worse, how much better I really don't know :D. My suggestion is to get sprayed, wait 6 to 10 minutes so you know you will live if you get sprayed again, then sit in front of a fan. You will be fine :D.
 
I have used..

-Garden hose at fillin' station
-Sticking my head in a big drum that had held a beer keg with ice and water...
-Outdoor showers
-Farm pond...
-Swimming pool.

Swimming pool is my number one pick followed by a farm pond.

Baby Shampoo is highly recommended as well.

FWIW, the ones with UV, work. I look great in Blacklight...
 
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