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1987 me could do the same at 600m with an A2. (And I still ended up in the middle of pack in the post match!) Doubt I could now, I rarely shoot over 200 yards. The peep aperture on AR sights actually works to sharpen vision, (does this by bringing the foveal vision to the aperture) but since everything is a trade-off in optics, the smaller the aperture (which sharpens the sight more), the less light it lets in. (which degrades accuracy)
 
I know one person isn't comparable to another but I'm curious what distance you can shoot accurately using the iron sights. I did try just looking through the ones on a different AR last time I was at the range and was pleasantly surprised that I could see better than I expected.
As I said, I haven't shot a rifle in years, but I've shot both the M1 and M16 at 1,000 yards with iron sights.
 
Poorer quality optical instruments are more likely to have unwanted magnification from poorly finished lenses.

Without the OP being specific. We dont know if we are talking about some 50 cent import or high dollar ground glass though.

Nope. Red dots are far closer to 1X than they are 2X. Took a long boring afternoon one time and determined that Aimpoints are well below 1.1X.

Sorry didnt mean to imply that they were closer to 2x... Just that most have a slight magnification.
 
She specified the model she has been using, Holosun HS403C. While not state-of-the-art, they have good quality glass in them. I have been looking at them myself for an upcoming purchase for my AR pistol, and they definitely don't have magnification or aberrations such as that ring around the edge you get with a variable when set to 1x. I used be an optical lab tech, I would see them if they were there. Definitely not a '50 cent knock off', VISM, FM, etc.
 
As I said, I haven't shot a rifle in years, but I've shot both the M1 and M16 at 1,000 yards with iron sights.

I can't imagine having to chase wind shifts @ 1000 w/a mouse gun,:what: it's hard enough to keep 'em in the middle with a Garand on a gusty day at those ranges. Bet that was fun.:rofl:
The first year the M16's appeared at one service rifle match, they were not allowed to shoot beyond the 600 yd line due to fear the high trajectory might endanger the pit crew. That restriction was soon lifted (the next year IIRC).

It's been at least 25 years since I shot service rifle matches, switching to aperture sights on a bolt gun gave me another 5-6 years. The correct size aperture for bullseye targets are almost as good as a scope, of course front aperture not so great for hunting due to light restriction, as has been mentioned.

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hps
 
I can't imagine having to chase wind shifts @ 1000 w/a mouse gun,:what: it's hard enough to keep 'em in the middle with a Garand on a gusty day at those ranges. Bet that was fun.:rofl:
The first year the M16's appeared at one service rifle match, they were not allowed to shoot beyond the 600 yd line due to fear the high trajectory might endanger the pit crew. That restriction was soon lifted (the next year IIRC).

It's been at least 25 years since I shot service rifle matches, switching to aperture sights on a bolt gun gave me another 5-6 years. The correct size aperture for bullseye targets are almost as good as a scope, of course front aperture not so great for hunting due to light restriction, as has been mentioned.

Regards,
hps
At Perry, the wind makes things difficult for any caliber smaller than 3". I was once at an ORPA Fun Shoot where the wind was blowing so hard that there was no equivalent to the range flags in my log book. Scope stands were literally blowing over.

Low velocity cartridges are much more problematic at 1,000 yars than 5.56mm. I was once at a black powder cartridge shoot at Perry where .45-70 rounds were traveling in such an elliptical path that they were plunging vertically into the roof of the target shed, which was immediately behind the butts. The shed was subsequently moved.
 
As much as I like Burris and respect the reputation of the FFIII, when I compared it to the Venom in person and by features it was a clean sweep. The sale price at $180 and Lifetime Warranty sealed the deal.

Same length and height as Burris, wider lens on Vortex.
1/2 oz. lighter than Burris.
Better battery life than Burris from same battery (both top change)
More windage and elevation than Burris.
Better brightness control than Burris.
Less expensive than Burris.

Now if a tube style turns out to work better, the Bushnell can be had for under $50 on sale, more for an AR appropriate model, but for that application I’d suggest a Sig Romeo for a few dollars more.

I'm happy to see the price of good reflex type sights come down. Last time I got one the Vortex were priced higher than the FFIII.

I've had good warranty experience with Vortex as well as Burris and Leopold.
 
I'm happy to see the price of good reflex type sights come down. Last time I got one the Vortex were priced higher than the FFIII.

Can say that again. I am seeing the Votex Venom for about $175 on sale in some places.
 
I seriously doubt there is something wrong with your eyes, I would suggest holding off on making an appointment to see an eye doctor unless you have a medical condition.

Literally, no. Everyone should get an eye exam on a regular basis, especially as we get older. You may find out your vision isn't as good as you thought and corrective lenses help you to see! More importantly, the optimologist can detect possible eye diseases or injuries while they are still fixable before you get to the point of noticing something is severely wrong so far along it cannot be fixed. Just about every major chain offers exams for under $60 (including some which are free). That's insignificant compared to the possible benefits.
 
In my quest to learn to shoot an AR, I took an introductory lesson in which the instructor informed me I need to keep both eyes open to properly use the red dot sight. That resulted in seeing double so I finished the lesson using my right eye only, and did the same on a subsequent range visit. I shoot my revolvers with my left eye closed also, including if I am shooting one-handed with the left hand.

While I am planning to visit an ophthalmologist to learn whether there is something wrong with my eyes that will prevent me from shooting with both eyes open, I'm curious to know whether anyone here experienced the same thing and if so whether you were able to overcome it and learn to shoot with both eyes open, and if so, how you did it.
This just for me. Have 4 red dots (2-Aimpoints on SBR's and 2-RMR06 on Glock21's).
Note: Right handed, but left eye dominant, So,
When shooting RMR RD on Glock, Both eyes are open and I've noticed that my left dominant eye will take over my right eye(slightly).
When shooting Aimpoint RD on SBR (stock on right shoulder), I use my right eye.
When shooting Vortex (6-24X) scope on AR10, same thing, I use my right eye.
When shooting pistols with iron sights, I have to cock my head slightly right, for the left dominant eye.
When shooting rifle/SBR with iron sights, I have to use right eye, because it would be pretty hard to cock my head "over the comb" that far, and I close my left eye slightly.
When zeroing, I use the same method depending on which pistol/SBR/rifle I have in my hand.

Wish there was an easier way, but my "go to gun" will be the RMR Glock 45 Super, both eyes open.
 
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The main difference is the reflex are "open" and you look through a small window to see the target with the dot superimposed instead of looking through a "tube". For me it makes little difference, generally the tube type are larger, and less expensive. For some folks the tube is better because "looking thru the tube" helps "find the dot" for others its a "tunnel vision" that draws your focus to the dot instead of the target.

Well worth trying each type. For rifles I much prefer the tube type, for handguns the reflex type. Except for .22s where the cost advantages of the tube types are compelling.

I consider the Burris Fast Fire 3 to be the lowest cost (~$250) reflex sight worth trying (unless you get a great return policy from the vendor), whereas the tube type Bushnell TRS or several Primary Arms models are very good for <$100. I even have some $20 tube types that have performed wonderfully on .22lr pistols.
I have 3 RMR06's, 2 Aimpoint's (T1&T2). This just ME, but I very much like the RMR's better. The Aimpoint's, I can tell I'm looking through a pipe, but the RMR's are like looking through a piece of rectangular glass, with a thin rim around the glass. Even though I paid more for the Aimpoints, I would swap them for 2 RMR06's. But the Aimpoints are nice too.
 
So you don't see double with both eyes open?
No, my mind is on keeping the RD steady(ha-ha). I just think to superimpose the dot on my target, and I pull the trigger. Any change in focusing, between the eyes is immediate. What I'm supposed to be doing(I believe), is to focus on the target and superimpose the dot onto the target, using my peripheral vision. But, easy said than done. If I go 3-4 months without practicing, I'll have a small learning curve(ha).
 
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