Reloading projects for retirement - Happy 4th of July (Independence from work?)

[LiveLife]

@bds 38 super seems like a cool caliber to play around with. I say go with whatever components will be cheaper.

As you can see, I really need a railed 1911 for accuracy testing (At least until the prototype machine rest is built).

Converting RIA 1911 38 Super to 9mm would be easily doable but I won't end up with a railed 1911 (And why I considered converting my railed Sig 1911).

And I don't believe there is railed 1911 9mm on CA Approved Roster of Pistols.

At the moment, my quickest/practical solution may be to continue with my machine rest build.

 

[fxvr5]

Hmmm, a quick search and you haven't started a single thread on THR irrelevant (I wonder why? Do you not appreciate other members commenting on your threads?) Now you're making stuff up out of thin air. Please don't do that.

Did you notice I was using a "GLOCK" with flexible rail/dust cover and not solid metal rail like 1911 (which I originally expected to test when I ordered Fusion Firearm's complete 9mm slide that turned out to need machining of slide rails to fit my Sig 1911 frame rails)? I am contemplating other 9mm 1911 options at the moment.

Attaching the sight to the frame rail of a semi-auto has a problem. Loose fit of the frame with the slide and barrel means the barrel will be pointed at a different place for every shot. The Ransom Rest has this same problem. It holds the gun's frame, and any slop in the fit of slide and barrel result in the same problem of the barrel not pointing at exactly the same place for every shot. That's why fit tolerances are important when testing mechanical accuracy. People might find this article of interest: https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/is-slide-to-frame-fit-important-for-accuracy/99200 That's one advantage of using a revolver in a Ransom Rest. The barrel is attached to the frame, so it does return the barrel to the same pointing position for every shot.

If you are so displeased with THR members' testing methods, as I have posted before many times, why don't you start a new thread and show us how it is supposed to be done?

My advice has been given in my comments.

I agree that a Glock is probably not the best tool for testing accuracy. One needs a tool that is reliable, consistent and can produce repeatable results. Something that tends to shoot big groups makes the task of assessing accuracy difficult. I suspect it might be possible but one would probably have to shoot a large number of shots in a group, and many groups, to be useful. But a better tool is a better choice. I don't want it to sound like I'm badmouthing Glocks, but they are not designed to be precision shooting instruments. They are combat accurate because that's all they need to be.

I don't think it's easy to assess accuracy. It requires proper methods in order for the results to have any validity. I've tried to point that out, but some people don't get it or are offended by direct statements of that fact.

The methods matter. I've said this many times. If the methods suck the results are meaningless. Honestly, many people on this forum don't appreciate how important the methods are in producing results that one can trust. And they think any critique of the methods is somehow insulting. But that's their problem. They need to sit back and look at what has been said in an objective light, not in a subjective manner. The subject matter of accuracy is based on facts, and feelings have no place. Look at the facts, forget your feelings.

 

[LiveLife]

Don't try to divert the focus of discussion. Why are you doing that? Are you the Original Poster of the thread? No you are not.

The Ransom Rest has this same problem ... That's one advantage of using a revolver in a Ransom Rest. The barrel is attached to the frame, so it does return the barrel to the same pointing position for every shot.

Who cares? I do not have a Ransom Rest nor do most of THR members. I also do not own any revolvers.

Glock is probably not the best tool for testing accuracy. One needs a tool that is reliable, consistent and can produce repeatable results ... But a better tool is a better choice.

Once again, yes it would be nice to have strain gauge set up to measure chamber pressures and dedicated private indoor range with laboratory controlled conditions. Guess what? I don't have either.

And as to needing a better tool, well, plenty of reloaders and match shooters over the decades have successfully developed loads and won matches without the use of chrono or laboratory grade test equipment.

So stop.

I don't want it to sound like I'm badmouthing Glocks, but they are not designed to be precision shooting instruments. They are combat accurate because that's all they need to be.

But you are. Are you upset because I post sub 2" 25 yard groups (even verified by fellow THR member) on par with 1911 groups? https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ick-plated-bullets.761471/page-4#post-9646469

And tell me, why wouldn't Glock on their 3rd, 4th and 5th generation models not want to produce accurate pistols? BTW, some Gen5 Glocks have Marksman barrel that are supposed to be match grade. Did you know that?

I don't think it's easy to assess accuracy. It requires proper methods in order for the results to have any validity. I've tried to point that out, but some people don't get it or are offended by direct statements of that fact.

No, you don't have to use "some people". Just say I get offended by another THR member who barge into a thread posting accusations that are not reflective of what's been posted.

If you started a thread and another THR member did the same thing you are doing, you'd be upset too.

The methods matter. I've said this many times. If the methods suck the results are meaningless. Honestly, many people on this forum don't appreciate how important the methods are in producing results that one can trust.

Well then why don't you start a new thread and show us the methods that we should all be using. Please.

And they think any critique of the methods is somehow insulting.

No, your behavior on THR is up to the moderators/staff/administrators to decide whether you are complying with THR forum rules.

The subject matter of accuracy is based on facts, and feelings have no place.

And I am posting "factual" details of the test rounds (case headstamp used, bullets used, powders/charges used, OAL/taper crimp used, pistols/barrels used, distance to target, group pictures, etc.)

Original Post of this thread is various retirement reloading projects I am finally getting to do now that I am retired.

As expressed in Range Test #1, #2 and #3, I am illustrating factual findings of load development and equipment testing as they are demonstrated. And BTW, the holes on target do not have my "feelings".

Which shot was your first shot? The one to the far right or the one you excluded next to the 10 shots you circled?

How many shots did you fire at that target?

If you actually read my post, you would have known that.

It is you who barged into an ongoing thread of load development and range testing of equipment after Range Test #3 post. Had you read Range Test #1, #2, and #3, you should have seen the technical issues I was addressing and that I was posting "factual" data as they happened.

It is you who accused me of making "assumptions"

From what I gather from your comments you're making lots of assumptions and only accepting data as 'real' if it meets your assumptions. If it doesn't, you fabricate a reason for excluding hits.

Can't you not read?

So once again, I am calling you out by your words. Why are you continuing to attack me even though I am simply posting my load development and range test results?

 

[fxvr5]

I thought you wanted me to focus on facts. Then you post this? Jeez, dude. Calm down.


Hey, I thought you were ignoring my posts.

 

[LiveLife]

< Another complaint report submitted >

 

[bikerdoc]

4 pages is enough. We are done here.

 

[bikerdoc]

Reopened to see if y'all can behave.

 

[LiveLife]

Thank you!


OK, moving onto Range Test #4.

From another thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-match-ammunition.854750/page-3#post-11214821

I had that same mount and it simply would not stay put on an XDm. I bought this one from IMI as recommended by a THR member and it is rock solid on the same gun.

I am noticing that IMI mount has two screws instead of one screw of Fab Defense/Mako USM. That may be the reason for greater stability.

Just placed an order on Amazon prime and will see how it does with heavier scope.

I will give IMI mount a try for Range Test #4. Since it was ordered with Amazon Prime, it should ship in 2 days and in the meantime, I can load up some more test rounds.

 

[LiveLife]

I bought this one from IMI as recommended by a THR member and it is rock solid on the same gun.

I will give IMI mount a try for Range Test #4.

Range Test #4 - Got the IMI Defense mount and installed on the Glock 22. Since Glock 22 rail only has one slot, I put the back bolt on the slot and front bolt in front of the dust cover. (I cannot slide the mount back on the rail to only use front bolt because the rail is too short for the mount to slide back)

Compared to Fab Defense Universal Scope Mount with solid back part of rail and one bolt

To squeeze out bit more accuracy for range test #4, I seated RMR 115 gr FP MW shorter to 1.045" (Instead of 1.055") and weighed the Promo powder charges to 4.2 gr manually. Since I was just testing out the IMI mount, I only took Promo load for range test #4.

I tried to zero the scope at 15 yards but kept missing the copy paper target AND the cardboard backer. After shooting most of my test rounds trying to get holes on paper and maxing out elevation/windage adjustments, I realized shots were going way left of the crosshair. Aiming at right edge of cardboard backer, I was finally able to put holes on paper towards the top center with last remaining 10 rounds (Target below shown upside down)

So I flipped the paper and moved it back to 20 yards and got the following group with remaining 8 rounds while trying to put the crosshair on the right edge of the cardboard backer (For range test #3, I put the crosshairs on the top right of paper/blue tape which was better for my eye)

And here's the entire target

 

[LiveLife]

IMI Defense mount HACK - Warning: Doing the following modification to your IMI Defense mount will void any warranty.

After doing some pondering and measuring, I decided to modify the IMI mount to slide it back further on the Glock rail.

Using a fine serrated steak knife (from Dollar Store), I shaved the inside of mount rail area and checked the fit until the mount slid back enough for the front bolt to align with the slot.

And here it is mounted back on Glock 22. Now I need to shim the front left and back right side of the scope rail so crosshairs better align with the POI (Moving the mount back on the rail could have better aligned the scope so I will just bring the shims when I go shooting)

 

[LiveLife]

UPDATE: Since my Gen3 Glock 22 only has one rail slot, I thought about cutting a second slot then quickly changed my mind.

Looking around my bench drawer units, I found a flat base for one of my red dot and used it to tighten the back of mount where the second bolt went.

I am loading up some more test rounds to shoot later today and will report back with load development/range test results.

 

[Dudedog]

HHmm, So the IMI mount does not play well with Glock 22s. Note to self, don't recommend it for Glocks.
Looks like you got it to fit but had to beat on it a bit. (well maybe more than bit....)
I didn't have that issue on my P226.

Now that you have beat on it a bir do you think it is going to work out on the Glock?
I will feel guilty if you wasted you $28
(you did say the Fab Defense one wasn't working for you right?)

 

[LiveLife]

Range Test #5 - Got to shoot the "hacked" IMI mount at 25 yards with some disappointing results.

I spent most of my Promo test rounds trying to zero the scope and with max adjustments, I ended up having to put the crosshairs on a rock to put holes on paper. With the holes stringing vertically, I think the heavy weight of the scope is moving the POA up and down. Having shot all of the Promo test rounds, I tightened all the bolts and then shot IMR Target test rounds with first round going off the paper and I had to readjust the crosshairs. I started to celebrate with the first 5 shot group but then group opened up, indicating to me the mount got lose.

HHmm, So the IMI mount does not play well with Glock 22s. Note to self, don't recommend it for Glocks

At this point, I am going to throw in the towel for rail mount testing for Glock 22. I think rail mount may be fine for lighter smaller red dot use but not suitable for accuracy testing at 25 yards (And why I tried to convert my railed Sig 1911 to 9mm).

I will continue Range Test #6 back on the Prototype Portable Combination Pistol and Carbine (PCC) Machine Rest Build thread as I picked up materials from Home Depot to build a small prototype optical pistol rest next (baby steps) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...achine-rest-build.852174/page-3#post-11158708

 

[LiveLife]

Thread Update: Unplanned surgeries for me (this time) with new diagnosis of spinal stenosis (I tell you, choose your parents carefully) that won't be helped by back surgery so several months of consultation and physical therapy was further followed by emergent diagnosis of glaucoma with extreme pressure increase and nerve damage and touch of cataract (thankfully not my shooting eye) which all forced an early retirement (When it rains, it pours). I spent quite a lot of time with my parents out of state who experienced further unplanned surgeries and worsening of medical issues and my retirement shooting/reloading projects along with my boat restoration/house projects came to a complete stop. Dad even suggested I should just build a range at their property so I could shoot.

With my parents' situation improving, I am back home again to be able to reload and shoot, picking up where I left off with my retirement shooting/reloading projects - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...endence-from-work.853305/page-4#post-11225321

With inquiries from THR members regarding lighter bullet carbine loads and new BCA Glock 40-9 conversion barrel accuracy, loaded up some RMR 95 gr FMJ with Promo for a day of testing (After a nice bowl of Menudo for lunch first ) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ck-22-40-9mm-conversion-barrel-review.860473/


BTW, here's a listing of myth busting threads and current retirement projects to improve reloading consistency/reduce reloading variance:

• Bullet sizing/diameter difference (keep in mind lot to lot variation exists) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...re-sized-the-same.818806/page-2#post-10567453

• Neck tension and bullet setback - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...neck-tension-and-bullet-setback.830072/page-4

• Residual lube affect on neck tension/bullet setback - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-tension-bullet-setback.834035/#post-10787026

• Accuracy of digital/beam scales verified by Ohaus ASTM Class 6 check weights - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/revisited-myth-busting-digital-scales.821449/

• Accuracy of calipers verified by Vermont Class ZZ +/- pin gages - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ks-for-digital-calibers.821135/#post-10545265

• Long vs short OAL (greater neck tension for more efficient powder burn/chamber pressure build vs gas leakage) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...g-oal-col-long-vs-short.819257/#post-10511700

• Reducing OAL variance on progressive press (mixed range brass vs pre-resized brass) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...progressive-press.833604/page-2#post-10779806

• Powder charge variance - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/c-h-502-micrometer-powder-measure-10-drops.834894/

• Pending - RMR 9mm 95 gr FMJ load development and pistol/carbine range testing

• Pending - N320 vs Sport Pistol testing

• Pending - W231/HP-38 vs W244 testing

• Pending - Titegroup vs IMR Target testing

• Pending - Primer performance (Which primer produces smallest groups?)

• Pending - Powder performance (Muzzle velocities/SD vs group size - The "holes on target", the end result I am working towards ... smallest group combination with mixed/sorted range brass)

• Pending - Hard mounted testing at 25/50/75/100 yards (To remove shooter input) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/rifle-rest.458493/#post-5724026

 

[LiveLife]

Disclaimer - Alliant does not publish Promo load data for 9mm but states it is same burn rate as Red Dot and to use Promo by weight, not volume. Use following loads at your own risk - https://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/promo.aspx


- RMR 9mm 95 gr FMJ load development and pistol/carbine range testing -

Pending - RMR 9mm 95 gr FMJ load development and pistol/carbine range testing

Like for my previous Promo load developments, 2004 Alliant load data was referenced for RMR 95 gr FMJ load development with Promo - http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=182147&d=1364769070

• 95 gr FMJ Red Dot 1.055" OAL Max 5.3 gr (1285 fps) 32,100 PSI

I initially planned to use 4.8 gr as start charge but since I ended up using 115 gr FMJ max load data for my 100 gr load development with Promo, I decided to test 5.0 gr and 5.2 gr. Since 5.3 gr with RMR 95 gr FMJ loaded to 1.055" would contact the top of powder charge, I decided to use 5.2 gr with 1.060" OAL, still essentially 100% case fill load. I loaded up the following for the range test using RP headstamp brass that was tested to not experience any bullet setback when fed in Glock 22/23 with 40-9 conversion barrels. S&B SP primers were used on Lee Auto Breech Lock Pro press.

• 5.0 gr @ 1.050"
• 5.0 gr @ 1.055"
• 5.2 gr @ 1.050"
• 5.2 gr @ 1.055"
• 5.2 gr @ 1.060"

At the request of a THR member, 16" PSA with 1:10 barrel twist rate upper using EndoMag lower was compared to 17" Just Right carbine with 1:16 barrel twist rate using Glock Magwell.

When I arrived at the shooting spot, several groups were shooting already and the spot already measured out to 25/50 yards was not available. After doing some looking around, I managed to find a spot that I measured by pacing out to about 45 yards. Free float handguards were rested on Caldwell rest placed on the tailgate of the truck flipped backwards to clear the bottom of magazine and stacked ammo boxes were used for the rear. (FYI, 16" PSA M-Lok upper was brand new)

Here are 45 yard 10 shot groups:

A quick detach AR scope mount was used for both carbines and took 4 shots to zero the scope. Recoil impulse was slightly more than shooting RMR 100 gr plated RN with 4.5- 4.7gr of Promo. Spent brass was tossed about 6'-8' to my right around 4 o'clock. Inside of brass was relatively clean (My W231/HP-38 carbine load comes out sooty black inside and out) without black soot. I was surprised 5.2 gr group got larger as I was hoping for a smaller group.

I did run into some feeding issues that seemed to be related to short length of rounds. Since the EndoMag kit is brand new in a brand new MagPul mag body, I will update on reliability of feeding as I continue the range test in the future with different powders.

NOTE: I do want to point out that PSA carbine was shot with MagPul CTR stock and when I replaced the adjustable stock on JR carbine to fixed A2 stock, shot group size decreased so I have plans to replaced the CTR stock with a fixed stock (And don't worry, I was using a CA registered AW lower).

After locking in the quick detach scope mount, it took a few shots to re-zero the scope. With the 5.0 gr load, tight one inch group formed but 2 shots to the left opened up the group size. With the 5.2 gr load, nice tight 1/2" group was forming but 4th shot went left (I pulled it) and 8th shot went high.

Wanting to verify the accuracy, I shot a 5 round group with PSA using the 5.0 gr load that produced smaller group size. With JR carbine, I shot a 5 round group with the 5.2 gr load.

I will be doing chrono testing on the next range trip along with pistol testing and will load up some 4.8 gr rounds to test. I will also bring along 16" PSA KeyMod upper that's been broken in to compare.

 

[Wis-Harpo]

I retired at 65 and 2 months on Jan 31st 2014. Dupont bought us out, and 2 years later they wanted us to go to 12 hour days. 30 hours one week and 54 hours the next. I could barely work 8 hours, so I was out of there. I hoped to stay till 67, but that didn't happen. I lived in Wisconsin, but retired to South Carolina, because my wife's daughter lived here. I didn't know that Social Security wasn't taxed here, property taxes on my house separate garage on 2.5 acres is only $699, and gas right now is $1.95/ gallon. The first year I took an area of 12 foot by 45 feet down 1 side of my 35 x 45 foot garage, and made 2 rooms 12 X 22 feet. One room for my wife's sewing and crafts, and one room for my reloading stuff. Both rooms are insulated with a motel like heater/ air conditioner installed in each. The second year I made the 1 car attached garage into a sun room. The 3rd year I spent improving the 2.5 acre lot that had over 30 fruit trees, and misc. indoor honey doo's. The 4th year I took off 1/2 of the pergola on my 20 square foot patio, and made it a covered porch. The 5th year I took off the other 1/2 of the pergola and made a 12X24 wood deck. This year it is planned to cover the deck with the same steel roofing as the cement porch. I still can climb a ladder, lift 12 foot 2X6's, and drill or nail the rafters and steel roofing. I think that this is my last big building project, because I just turned 71 years old. Whenever I go home to Wisconsin, either or both of my kids have minor projects. I just tell then to say what they need done so I can bring the right tools.

I am lucky that I have a great range I can drive to in Georgia that is about 38 miles away. It has 100-200-300-and 400 yard rifle range, a 5 bay pistol range, a separate 1 bay pistol range, a 12 station Green ( easier) and a 14 station Red ( harder) Sporting Clay course, Trap, Wobble Trap, and Skeet fields. All of this is on a 93 acre range. Friday is the Old Farts Cardiac Club shotgun shooting fun day. Like others stated the week days are great at the Gun Club. The weather is generally nice , even in the winter. Last Friday it was really sporty. We shot Wobble Trap ( the clay thrower goes side to side as usual, but also goes up and down ) , it was unusually cool ,40 degrees, but the wind was 15+ mph with gusts of 34 mph. Several times the shooter had to wait till he wasn't blown a little bit sideways. The scores were low, but a lot of laughing at what the wind does to the clay birds.

I am also trying to develop some good loads for my Rem Carry 1911 45 acp. I found out a few weeks ago it doesn't like the Berry's 185 RNHB bullets that my M&P 45 compact liked . My Son-In-Law bought my M&P pistol, so he got 4 full boxes of 250 count 185 gr bullets, and a part box. He did give me a bag of 250 count 230 grain RN bullets from Everglades to try. They shot great, so he said he will give me some more later. The pistol also like 200 grain SWC bullets also. So now it will be load testing with 7 different bullets and 5 powders. This means at least 2 trips + to the range. Depending on the pressure from the better half to cover the deck this spring.

 

[LiveLife]

I wish we had a 100-400 yard range in my area. I use a close by BLM shooting area (25 mins) that is easy to drive to and I can shoot out to 100 yards.

There's another BLM area (45 mins) farther out that I could shoot to 300 yards but it's 25 minutes of Baja 1000 mountain road drifting and when my back acts out, really can't make that bouncy mountain road drive.

 

[Reloadron]

I wish we had a 100-400 yard range in my area. I use a close by BLM shooting area (25 mins) that is easy to drive to and I can shoot out to 100 yards.

There's another BLM area (45 mins) farther out that I could shoot to 300 yards but it's 25 minutes of Baja 1000 mountain road drifting and when my back acts out, really can't make that bouncy mountain road drive.

My closest 100 / 200 yard range is just over an hour drive. That's where I have membership. Nice range and well groomed. Cost about $140 a year and membership runs Jan to Dec.

 

[Wis-Harpo]

The Range membership is $120 per year, payable before August 1st each year. If you try and pay after August 1st, you go on a waiting list till someone doesn't pay the next year. The membership has a total of 1300 members which sounds like a lot, but the range only gets mildly crowded on the weekends. Some members only come out a very few times a year. I think that there are 2- 50 yard benches, and about 10 to 12 long range benches. All of the benches are made of thick granite so there is no movement at all. I know on Friday mornings there may be 1 to 3 benches being used, I just drive by them to shoot my shotgun. It picks up a bit in the spring through fall. Also they sell reloading supplies cheaper than I can buy intown or anywhere else.

 

[Reloadron]

The membership has a total of 1300 members which sounds like a lot, but the range only gets mildly crowded on the weekends.

Same give or take but Jan through Dec. What was funny was after I retired I was at the range during the week and most of the guys were like myself, older and retired.

We had a Hard Rock Rockcino (casino) open locally and they had a pretty decent buffet my wife and I liked. Every month we would get a senior reward of 2 for 1 on the buffet. So for about $15 we each got a really nice lunch. Amazing as on any given weekday the place was packed with gambling seniors and I mean some in wheel chairs playing those slot machines. Since retiring I am finding old people all sorts of places during the day.

Ron

 

[LiveLife]

UPDATE: RMR 95 gr FMJ carbine load testing - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...endence-from-work.853305/page-4#post-11387109


The Mizugiwa quick detach cantilever scope mount I have been using for several years is showing its age so I ordered different scope mounts:

• Mizugiwa 1" cantilever scope mount - PEPR (Proper Eye Position Ready). I am happy with 2 piece high rise scope rings that use 6 hex bolts per ring and Mizugiwa mount came with good reviews - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WVHJQT4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

• Monstrum 1" detachable cantilever scope mount (Mizugiwa quick detach mount I have been using uses 30mm to 1" plastic sleeves so I am hoping this 1" mount will provide greater zero) - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MJCT11L/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

To remove slop from MagPul CTR stock but with longer A2 reach to trigger (which reduced the group size for JR carbine), I ordered Strike Industries Viper Modular Fixed Stock (MFS) with Viper MFS Monopod (I didn't get the butt pad) from Optics Planet with free shipping (5% THR discount with THRFORUM code on $50+ orders). To my surprise, Optics Planet turned out to be the lowest price I could find shipped to CA - https://www.opticsplanet.com/strike...ock.html?_iv_code=3Q-BSC-SIVM-SI-VIPER-MFS-BK

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I am currently running Just Right carbine (1:16 twist) along with PSA (1:10 twist) uppers with PSA 9mm buffer (essentially H3 at 5.4 oz) and contemplating trying heavier 7.5 oz buffer and/or Taccom 3 stage buffer - https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/KV...back-Buffer-7-5oz-p/kvp-buffer-7.5-9mm-ss.htm

Taccom 3 stage buffer - https://taccom3g.com/product/taccom-pcc-adjustable-buffer-system/

But may test JR/PSA carbines with rifle length recoil spring first to see if I can tame the recoil impulse.


And with valentine's/birthday coming up, decided to let my wife buy me Thompson/Center TCR22 (Somehow, she always knows exactly what I want ) for another "real world" ammo comparison thread like the 10/22 Collector #3 thread hopefully with smaller 50 yard groups based on reviews (1/2"-3/4" depending on ammo) - https://grabagun.com/t-c-t-cr22-22lr-17-thred-bl-syn-odg.html

BTW, in the 10/22 thread, using V-block shim and taping the back of receiver with ammo it likes, got sub/around 1" 10 shot groups at 50 yards https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lector-3-break-in.859106/page-2#post-11351163

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[Ruger 15151]

I am also trying to develop some good loads for my Rem Carry 1911 45 acp. The pistol also like 200 grain SWC bullets also. So now it will be load testing with 7 different bullets and 5 powders. This means at least 2 trips + to the range. Depending on the pressure from the better half to cover the deck this spring.

Are these loads for self-defense or plinking? If you would like some very accurate bullseye classic loads that should work well in your pistol, PM me.

 

[LiveLife]

If you would like some very accurate bullseye classic loads that should work well in your pistol, PM me.

FYI, for those who don't know, member Ruger15151 is a bullseye match shooter.

 

[Ruger 15151]

FYI, for those who don't know, member Ruger15151 is a bullseye match shooter.

Nope.. not a bullseye shooter. Just pretend to be! But I do have some tack driver pistols that love bullseye loads.

 

[LiveLife]

Nope.. not a bullseye shooter. Just pretend to be! But I do have some tack driver pistols that love bullseye loads.

Oops, may got you mixed up with another member who shoots bullseye match. Had too many PMs.