Review of Louis Awerbuck Shotgun Course (LONG)

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Tactical Shotgun One, taught by Louis Awerbuck (Labor Day Weekend at Quantico Shooting Club)
This was a 10 person class, and a three day course. The 10 students signed up for this course included individuals from all walks of life and styles of shooting and used a variety of equipment. The shotguns used included 1 Beneli super 90, Remington 1100 20ga, 2 Mossberg 590, 6 Remington 870s(1 vang comped, 1 police, 1 wingmaster, 1 hybrid police all hobbled together, 2 express synthetics.) The pistols used were 3 1911, 1 browning hi-power, 1 SIG, 1 Beretta, 4 Glock’s.

Personal Gear used - Remington Express HD model. 18.5 barrel, +2 extension, sidesaddle, cqb solutions(now specter gear) single point sling mounted on gg&g mount, bead sight painted fluorescent orange, with a stock synthetic stock with a limbsaver R3 pad. I also had a belt pouch made by Blackhawk that officially holds 25 shells, but I could put 40+ shells into it with ease. My hi-power is a stock practical model with ambidextrous safety(more on these later)

Day One - The course started out at 8:30 Sunday morning with a short safety lecture and introduction of Louis Awerbuck from the Quantico Range Safety Officer(RSO). Louis introduced himself, and stressed his top two safety rules, and hardly needed to mention them after this. As long as we keep our muzzles in a safe direction, and fingers off the trigger, we would stay safe and keep everybody happy. We then sat down for 3 ½ hour lecture/discussion of the weapons involved, pros and cons with each system, personal idiosyncrasies that may sway ones weapon choice. The class started off with the order of importance with shotgun modifications. Louis explained, that stock fit is the #1 importance with a shotgun, followed by a sling and a white light mounted on the weapon. These are his three items of vital importance. Nowhere did he mention a set of optics or new sights as being needed. When asked, he informed us that most shooters seem to ignore the three important ones, and rush out to get the fanciest sights they can find. Our class was lucky in that no one had fancy optics on their shotguns, so Louis didn’t need to explain why this wasn’t necessary. We also asked about sidesaddles and other ammo carriers, and Louis said they were a good idea, as there is no such thing as enough ammo, as long as one realizes that the odds of reloading in a typical HD scenario isn’t very likely.

The second half of the lecture discussed the barrel, and how each barrel is a law of its own. We discussed patterning of buck and bird, and a little bit about slugs. Louis was asked his opinion of the Vang Comp system, and said he thought the Vang part of the process was good if you were interested in super tight patterns, but thought the comp portion was gimmick and useless, as shotguns do not have muzzle rise from gases, and the tiny ports are something else to clean. When asked what Louis personally used, he informed us that he doesn’t use buckshot as he owns too many shotguns, and uses slugs only. We then ended the lecture and moved to the range area for loading and unloading drills. Louis informed us during this drill that the shooting portion of this course wasn’t that hard, its the loading of the gun that will get us every time.
After that, we patterned buckshot, and everyone learned what their particular load patterned as. Most of us had patterned our load of choice before this and were gratified to learn our loads would suffice. The two tightest loads were the vang comp gun with federal tactical 00 and the wingmaster with Winchester ranger 00. My particular load was the Remington 00 RR 8 pellet, and patterned nicely out 14 yards, but starts spreading rapidly after 15. After lunch, we started shooting at the plates, either individually, or in relays. Shooting at the plates was easy, but the process was more complicated than it seems, as the drill varied from shoot one load one, to shoot two load one, to shoot three, though you only had one or none rounds in the gun. It really drove home the lesson that you cant always keep the gun fully topped off, and its better to shoot the target and have a empty or almost empty gun, versus load that magazine tube and die while never getting a shot off. At this stage Louis was fond of saying , its a bad choice, but do you want a full gun and be dead, or be alive with a empty gun. We finished up with rolling thunders, which is a progressive exercise of 5 people, each shooting at different targets, in a different order, with a varied amount of rounds being fired. It got tricky really fast, but overall everyone did pretty well with the drill. A lot of the drills over the day, involved forward and backward movement, and lateral movement to get into the practice of shooting at targets while moving, rather than standing still in the way of incoming fire.
 
DAY TWO
Day two was going to be a longer day, with the night school taking place that night. We started the day off at 10:30. We did a few drills on the steel plates to warm up, and then broke for a ½ hour to discuss slugs and zeroing. The class was split 50/50 between bead and sights with five of us having beads, three with rifle sights, and two with ghost rings. Almost everyone’s slug zeroing went fine, with minute adjustments for everyone, and a few guys with beads realizing their gun shot high. Then I went to the line, where everything started going wrong. I had shot slugs through my gun to ensure reliability, and had practiced snap shooting, but did not do any honest bench resting with it before this. My first two rounds of Remington RR slugs went to different places, and my third didn’t have a full slug loaded in it, and just consisted of a lot of powder, and shot a wad that didn’t go anywhere. Louis tried my gun to see if it was the shooter or the gun. He made the pronouncement that while my gun wasn’t the worst trigger he had ever seen, nor the second worst, it was indeed the third worst he had ever seen in all his years of teaching and shooting. Needless to say, this was not a list of fame I wished to be on. I had never noticed the trigger when shooting buckshot, or birdshot, but with slugs it was clearly evident that my trigger starts and stops five times, and my barrel doesn’t like Remington RR slugs at all. I had brought Winchester full power slugs, and a fellow student let me try Remington full powered slugs. My gun really likes the Remington full powered, as it shoots them dead center, slightly to the left(the shift to the left might be from the trigger). I tried my Winchester, and they shot high but grouped nicely. Louis informed me that with the exception of one drill on day three, the Winchesters would get me through the course, but to try the Remington full powered or breneke slugs in my gun to see how they grouped next week or next month when I had the opportunity and above all fix my trigger.(later he told me how to clean the trigger up by polishing it)
After we finished zeroing, we started a dry run of select a slug drill. Everyone did fine with the dry run, but we were warned that most of us would mess it up with the steel and paper. We then went through one at a time, on some variation of steel, paper, and steel, with each person doing a different run. Here my practice of select slug paid off, and my god awful trigger(Louis words, not mine ) didn’t hamper me too much on snap shooting. We did several runs of this, and those with experience did great with this drill from the get go. A few people had to practice it a little more, but after a few runs, we all were making clean runs smoothly. Louis then messed with our heads, by giving us a list of what order we would shoot the targets and made us load our guns and magazine accordingly. An example of this was if you were shooting , steel, paper, steel, one would load the gun with shot in the chamber, then load a shot, then a slug, because the last round into the magazine tube is the first one out, and to show that Dutch loading is a bad idea, as having to think like this complicates things, and doesn’t account for if you have to eject a good shell, you don’t know which shell is coming up next. Therefore loading multiple types of buckshot, birdshot and slugs in a magazine tube isn’t a good idea at all. He hammered home the point that our brain can handle only two types of ammo, and one should be in the magazine, and the other shouldn’t. This goes for mixing buck and slug, two kinds of nonlethal, or even buck and bird, or two types of buck. Keep it simple, and keep the ammo types separate. Also, if your using non lethal ammo, Louis recommends having a “pink purple polka-dotted †gun to shoot it out of, and keep nonlethal rounds separate from the lethal guns. We did slug and shot work all day, and broke for dinner. After dinner we started the night shoot around 7:45. We warmed up on the plates, did some select slug drills, rolling thunders, and various other steel drills. We also did some drills involving moving, holding the light on target, and hitting and loading while moving. Louis wanted to drive home the idea that weapon mounted lights were a necessity on all defensive arms, and to know how to properly use lights at night to id the target while seeing the sights. Half of us already did have weapon mounted lights, and we were glad for it, a few others had rigged lights on them, and got by, and the few people holding lights up to the guns(pumps and semis) quickly realized the difficulties, and are now planning on adding lights at a later date. We all had fun and learned a lot, and the night shoot was probably one of the most popular parts of the course up to that point. We called it quits after that, and broke for the evening, with a start time of Tuesday morning.
 
Day Three Tuesday
We started off with another warm-up, and moved onto buckshot. To complicate shooting at the steel targets, Louis put two white no shoot targets in front of the steel, and two behind the steel targets. We then worked on hitting the steel, without shooting our paper innocents. Those of us with tight patterns did real well, those with the wider patterns tended to hit innocents. The vang comp shooter was amazing to see as he put shots through tight openings to hit the plates.

After the buckshot with innocent/targets drill, we then unloaded the shotguns, and grabbed our handguns to practice drawing the handgun and flashlight. After we got that down, we warmed up on handgun targets and proved to Louis satisfaction that we could safely shoot at the targets in a fairly precise manner, and Louis placed the targets at odd angles, to get us out of the habit of shooting at squared off targets. Louis informed us that as long as we were shooting with combat precision, we were safe enough to move onto shooting at paper targets between the steel ones. After the handgun shooting drills, we moved onto dry runs with shotgun transitions.
5 of us had single points, and one had a three point, so transitions were easy for us, basically put the safety on, drop the gun, and draw the handgun. The four students with carry slings, had to put the safety on, invert the gun, and drop it over the head, before they could draw the handgun. After we felt fairly comfortable with this, we moved onto the live fire portion of the drills. We would fire two rounds of buck or bird into the steel, and transition to the handguns to place shots into a paper target off to the side. The paper target was at a angle, so while we all placed hits, it took a while to start hitting in the lethal zones. Everyone had to get out of the mindset of shooting at the center of the target, and instead hit for the greatest concentration of target. After that, we did some more drills ,except the paper target was between the steel targets, there were no shoot targets up and lateral movement was allowed. This made it complicated and interesting as you maneuvered to hit your steel targets, and then draw the handgun. To hit a paper target between steel plates, behind a no-shoot target. After we had weapon transitions down, we broke for lunch.

After lunch, we started work with slugs again. A steel 10 inch plate was placed at 50 yards, and was held by a single hook. When hit, it would spin randomly, and fly all over the place. We each took a few shots to get the feel of shooting at a 50 yard target. It took me two shots to hit when it was my turn, but I was rewarded with the steel clang. We then lined up for a two person drill. It involved shooting at the 50 yard target with slugs, as your partner moved to the next firing point. Your partner would reach the next firing point, and when he fired the first slug, you would move to meet him , reloading along the way. When you got to him, and fired your first slug, he would move to the next point, and so on. It was a fairly fast paced drill, and Louis informed us that a run of 55-60% hits was a good run. We had 4 guys shoot clean runs, with almost no misses if any. A few of us had some more trouble, and I am definitely included in that number. I was able to compensate for my bead sight somewhat, but slugs shooting high with that “god awful†trigger meant I was only hitting about 30% for the run, with my last four being misses. It drove home that I need to zero for slugs my gun likes, and get my trigger cleaned up ASAP. Once I do that I need to work on my precision slug shooting and get my hits up, as this was my weakest area in the entire course. It was definitely not all the gun, most of it was me needing practice with slugs on precision targets.
After we all did the distant slug drill, we set up for the mover. The mover was a moving target between two innocent targets.(One located behind the badguy, one standing in front of the bad guy target) All three targets were dressed in clothes. The trick was to put a single lethal shot of buck or slug(shooters choice) into the badguy, without over penetrating and killing the one behind, or shooting the one in front. My first run I put a shot into the side of the gut, and learned that most of that was a bloused shirt, with only a few pellets hitting the target. My second run I was able to place a perfect load of buck into the targets head. It was tough exercise, where you had to wait for a good shot, rather than start blasting, and quickly moving around. A lot of patience was required for this drill. The final drill of the course was the mover, except we went in pairs. This time, one partner could move, while the leftmost was stationary. You had three seconds of the target moving, with no shots allowed, and three seconds to make the shot. On my run, my partner scored the first shot on the head, and I closely followed with a direct shot to the chest.
 
Equipment Analysis(end of course). I was extremely happy with my ammo carrier, though I would like to add some shell loops on the belt to make it easier to grab reloads. My gun setup worked real well, with no malfunctions, short shucking, or problems, though I need to make two major changes. I want to replace the magazine follower with a extended steel or plastic one, to make it easier to reload. I worked around the current one, and 95% of the time successfully loaded all six rounds, but there were a few times where only five went in. My trigger will be polished up ASAP, almost immediately, as soon as my next day off comes around and I have the time. I was happy with my bead sight, and am in no rush to replace it. I do really like the ghost ring systems I saw during the course, but I wont get one of those until I reach the limits of my skill with the bead. Once I get my slug skills polished, and feel the bead is hampering me, I will invest in a set of ghost rings. As for ammo, I already mentioned my slug issues, and will start looking for a new slug. I’m happy with my Remington rr 00, but am going to try some estate 00 I traded from a fellow student, some Winchester ranger 00, and some Hornady tap 00 to see if I can shrink my patterns a little bit, or just push the effective ranges out farther.

Tactical Shotgun 1 was a very gratifying course, and I know we all learned a lot and had loads of fun. I personally made my strengths stronger, some of my weakness less weak, and identified a few weakness I wasn’t even aware of.(slugs, slugs, slugs!) I got to do a great shakedown of my 870 and ammo selections, and will make some of the changes mentioned as soon as possible. During the course, I met some great people, made some new friends, and would gladly take a course with any of those guys(and lady) again. I most definitely will be taking more shooting classes in the future, and hope to take many more with Louis Awerbuck in particular. Louis has a awesome sarcastic sense of humor, a true patience working with safe students, and a wealth of experience he is both willing and able to pass on to the new generation of shooters. A special thanks to Louis and his wife Leigh for the great class, and John of Quantico Shooting Club for setting the course up.
 
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EXCELLENT POST !!

SapperLeader,
Thank You for sharing.
I for one would appreciate:
a) suggestions Awerbuck made on smoothing the trigger on a 870,
b) recommended books / video of Awerbucks.

Dave , Mods , could we please Float this very informative thread for a bit? Perhaps we could make a "folder" of such reviews to reference?

SapperLeader - again excellent report and most informative - thanks!

Regards,
Steve
 
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to type out all that, S/L. A couple things...

It illustrates that the best thing we can do to help us get better is shoot a lot. BA/UU/R.

It also shows that we need to use our equipment under stressful conditions to see what goes wrong, and what goes right.

A good trigger is essential.

Good job!!
 
sapperleader,

I envy you those few days at Quantico. Louis is among the best in the business bar none. He has overcome some serious health problems (encephalitis IIRC) in the past and keeps on truckin', for which I admire him even more.

Excellent post, seems as if you worked hard to get the most out of the training. Good on yer, and thanks for the assessment of the class.

lpl/nc

Shameless shill for the diminuitive South African: see the Yavapai website at http://yfainc.com/ , or note the following quotes therefrom:

"Yavapai Firearms Academy provides training encompassing gunhandling, marksmanship and tactics, the 3 basic elements of surviving a defensive confrontation.

Using a firearm for DEFENSE implies REACTION to an existing threat, not an INITIATION of an action. Therefore, it is our opinion that the most crucial elements of defensive training are QUICK, REFLEXIVE gunhandling and mental CONTROL. While marksmanship training is certainly necessary, it must be combined with tactics and street practical target systems and situations to allow any possibility of surviving a real-world confrontation. No one can guarantee perfect hits under stress, so training should not emphasize this aspect to the exclusion of the others. Reflexive gunhandling and mental control will leave your mind free to concentrate on SHOT PLACEMENT AND TACTICS.

To this end, we use a variety of target systems, and shooting is performed from various tactical body positions; the drills, however, are not of a strenuous physical nature. Training exercises are done from a tactical perspective. Any pressure applied to the student comes from within him/herself. While stress drills are utilized to attain maximum trainee performance on the range, the object of the exercise is to find your individual maximum potential by the end of the class - not during a later life-threatening confrontation! We, therefore, do not use a stopwatch on the range, but for your benefit, what you put in, you will get out of the courses.

Weapon Restrictions

We do not place restrictions on the type or caliber of weapon used in our classes. We firmly believe that a student should take the class with whatever weapon and "carry" system he/she will be using once he/she leaves the class. It is inadvisable to train with one type of weapon but then use another in a stress situation.

While we feel that .380 should be the smallest caliber considered for defensive pistol work, if you will be using a smaller caliber gun, bring it! A hit with a .22 is a lot better than a miss with a .45.

Expect a relaxed, friendly atmosphere in which to train with your firearm.

Expect to expend only that amount of ammunition required to properly learn and perform an individual drill. We believe that quality is more important than quantity. Once the class is performing a drill without major problems, we will continue on another subject. A drill, once learned, is "perfected" as the course progresses.

Expect to have time taken to find causes of and the cures for any marksmanship problems one may have. We will gladly work during breaks, after class hours, etc. to help an individual student with such problems.

Do NOT expect to have a bull's-eye style marksmanship. We run DEFENSIVE courses, NOT target shooting courses. If you are putting the shots through the same hole at all times, you are giving your opponent too much time. HOWEVER, this is NOT to say that it is permissible to "spray" the shots. They must be contained within the appropriate vital zone and in an acceptably tight group.

Do NOT expect to simply go from short to long distances. As the current average distance for a confrontation is about 7 feet, we have opted to keep the majority of our training close-in and compound the problems rather than worry about distance. For example, Stage I Handgun courses will generally not go beyond 15 yards.

Do NOT expect to be forced into a certain style of shooting or body position. We recognize that each individual is different in physique, capabilities and life-style. While we feel we can justify the use of certain styles and positions, and will ask a student to at least try these, we permit a student to use any position that will allow him/her to achieve consistent marksmanship and not compromise their safety.

Do NOT expect to be told that we offer the best training available. While we obviously feel that we provide good, sound and experienced training, there is never only one way to do something. The instructor does NOT know more about your life-style than you do! We suggest that a person goes to every school that he or she can afford and make up their "toolbox" from everything offered. Don't forget, if you don't agree with anything you have been shown, you have learned something.

You will get what we believe to be a sound basis in the fundamentals of "GUNFIGHTING" - marksmanship, gunhandling and tactical thinking.

You will have an understanding of your marksmanship problem - if one exists - AND HOW TO CONTROL IT.

Drills will have been done from a tactical perspective, WITH EXPLANATIONS GIVEN. You will have been encouraged to begin thinking of not only your shooting in this way, but other aspects of your life as well - don't intentionally give the assailant(s) the edge!

You will NOT get a panacea. No course, no matter how good it is, can teach you in a matter of days what it takes years to learn. All courses are only beginnings - the rest is up to you.
 
" All course are only beginnings, the rest is up to you"....

That should be Writ on a Tablet of Stone in the Temple of the Shotgun Gods.

Awerback seems like a class act...
 
Very nice post. That reminded me that Louis is having a class in Arizona in a month or two. I am going to try and take it.
I had Louis for the Gunsite shotgun class (260) earlier this year (Feb ?).

I was surprised at how difficult it was. It gave me fits trying to keep that gun loaded. I need to put some serious time into dry practice, thanks for the reminder.
I found the part about the lights to be interesting. Louis seems to be the type of guy that likes to keep things simple. It appears to me that he doesn't buy into a lot of gadgets and gimmicks. I was surprised on the first morning of 260 when he said that you NEED to have a mounted light on your shotgun, and the only viable option was Surefire. I was kind of surprised by this. I had also had Louis for Gunsite 556, Advanced Carbine and he seemed to be very vague about gear and seemed to be more the type that advocated being good with what you had no matter what it was. I considered it pretty significant that he said flat out that you NEED to have this specific light. I normally try to show up at these classes with all the cool gear, but I turned out to be the only one in the class that hadn't gotten the word about the light. Everyone else had one. So, at our first break I called Hans Vang to see if he had any lights and then drove down right after class and bought one. Once we started using the light, I realized that trying to use a flashlight with a shotgun would have been nothing but an exercise in frustration. I shot Remington 870 with a factory smoth bore slug barrel that had iron sights on it. Previous to the class I had ordered a Vang comped gun but it wasn't ready before the class. When I went down to get my light, Hans loaned me one of his personal guns to use since mine wasn't ready. So, I got to use the Vang gun along with my own factory gun. I have to say that I liked my factory gun a lot better than I did, the Vang gun. I didn't like the ghost ring sights. I didn't like the "jumbo" safety. I liked my very short Hogue stock better (even though I broke two of them during the class). So, I eventually got my Vang gun and it has been sitting unfired in the safe.
Something that I thought was kind of weird is that everyone in the class was shooting an 870 with the same Surefire light on it. They wern't all the exact same gun, but I am sure it greatly simplified the instructors job to have everyone using the same gun.
 
Well, actually, the stocks didn't break but the recoil pads did.
Twice I had a malfunction where I needed to bang the butt of the shotgun on the ground to clear them. Both times, the recoil pad broke in half. Both Gunsite, and Hans Vang called Hogue and told them about it. There was another big shake up there I was involved in.
I mentioned above that I borrowed one of Hans Vang's guns. This was because my recoil pad was broken. Hans was making a steel magazine follower. He had one in this gun he lent me. I discovered during the class that as you kept shooting and topping off the magazine, the last shell in the tube was gradually beaten into this follower until it becomes stuck and ties up the gun. I didn't realize this was such a big deal, but Col. Young immediately responded to the range and the phone lines were buzzing as Gunsite and Hans were calling everyone warning them the part was defective. :D
 
Thanks for all the positive replies everyone! I had a lot of fun taking the course and writing up the review. My main motivation in writing a long review was as a thank you to everyone that gave me good advice on preparing for the course.

SM - Awerbuck suggested a two part process on cleaning up my trigger, and said dont bother sending it to a gunsmith, as its not a gunsmith worthy task. He recommended taking a aerosol lubricant, and spraying all the parts of the trigger assembly, getting out any grit or gunk that might of built up inside. After that, you take a metal polish and rag, and start polishing. He says don¡¦t take away any metal off the trigger, just smooth it out. I¡¦m not done polishing, as I didn¡¦t have much on hand, but I did flush out the trigger, and start polishing. I already can see a definite difference in the trigger pull. I started off with a 5-6 stage trigger, and now it¡¦s down to three. Its nothing to brag about yet, but its getting better. As for books, he didn¡¦t really mention any of his merchandise, but several of my fellow students said buy any, they are all worthwhile.

Dave - " All course are only beginnings, the rest is up to you"....I like that, Im going to have to borrow that saying :). This course was a great use of BA/UU/R and stress is amazing way to shake down equipment. While this was nothing new to me, it was still amazing how many people stop what their doing and look over their shoulder when they have a self induced or mechanical stoppage rather than try to diagnose the problem and keep shooting.
 
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444- I also thought that Awerbucks thoughts on weapon mounted lights were interesting. On every other piece of equipment, he was of the opinion of if it works for you, use it, but not with lights. He did recommond the surefire pump lights, but he also mentioned several recomondations for budget orientated lights, with the stipulation that they have a shorter life span and are not as reliable. He seemed more focused on everyone getting some sort of light on the gun, preferably a surefire, but if not that anything was better than nothing.
 
I like it too, enough to steal it. I used to say something like that after qualifying rookies, but since most of them only shot because it was required made me a voice crying in the wilderness.

There's a couple humps for shotgunning rookies to get over.

First, of course, is to get over the kick hump. Form, combined with reasonable fit and reasonable loads, has to be good enough that the rookies aren't traumatized.

The second, it's getting INTO the shotgun enough that one employs it well. The feedback loop where a good hit begets more motivation and more hits has to be started right at the beginning or likely not at all.

This course is a, not the, next step. There's many roads, but Awerback's course seems a straight one...
 
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