Romanian Tokarev Problems

[UranusDestiny]

Hey guys, I'm having some problems with my Romy Tokarev that I got from AIMsurplus back in March, and I was wondering if you guys could help shed some light on how to fix it/whats wrong with it.

It came with a very mushy and very light trigger (Just by way of comparison, it is lighter than my P220's SA, which is reputably around 4.5 pounds). I just noticed that coupled with the extremely short reset, it is really easy to accidentally bump fire. I know it isn't going full auto because only specific users have been able to get this effect while others who have used this tokarev have not been able to replicate this problem, so I believe it is due to the very light trigger and inconsistent trigger pulls on the part of the shooters. I had it briefly looked at by a gunsmith, and that was what he thought was the problem. Does anyone know how to make this light trigger heavier so that i can avoid these accidental bumpfires?

The second problem that I noticed was that occasionally, the hammer would drop down to the half cock position after the slide is racked. Unfortunately I forgot to mention this to my gunsmith, since I was more scared about doubling problem ( I plan to go to him tomorrow to have his opinion on it). Judging by this, I think that the sear is worn, and the hammer is slipping past the Single action notch and landing in the half-cock safety/notch (THANKFULLY OTHERWISE I'D HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS ), but I'm not sure. Can anyone comment on this?

I am pretty sure that this is a separate issue, and that it isn't related to the bumpfiring problem. If it was related, I would think that the hammer would go past the half cock notch and rest fully forward for it to have malfunctioned in that manner.

As of this moment, I've completely retired this pistol, until I find out what is exactly wrong with it. I was very hesitant in putting this post up, but I figured the scary legal bit (the light trigger bumpfiring portion) was covered pretty well with both my gunsmith's words and from what I noticed with the variation in effect with different shooters. Last i checked, bumpfiring is NOT considered the same as FA. I'm definitely worried about the sear issue though, enough that I might just trash the hammer group and buy a new one. should I try and send it back to AIM?

If there are any tokarev experts here, any help would be appreciated!
if pictures of the hammer assembly and any other parts of the gun would help, please let me know so that I can take some pictures!

 

[WardenWolf]

There's two zones of possibility here: worn sear or hammer spring, or a damaged sear or cocking lug. Given what you're saying about the trigger, I'm kind of suspecting it's a spring. However, operating on a worn spring for too long can also result in premature wear to the sear or hammer lugs due to repeated slippage; it results in a rounding off of the surfaces. You should get this checked out by a gunsmith. If it's the spring, it will be an easy fix. If not, it's good only for parts.

Another reason I suspect the spring is because all the Tokarevs AIM gets in a particular batch are in pretty much the same mechanical condition. There's variation in their bores and finishes, but generally they're all mechanically sound. The one thing that could go bad during storage, however, is a poorly-tempered spring.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Realize that a hammer pack is probably less expensive that the gunsmith. you switch it out and problem is gone.

 

[WardenWolf]

I've yet to see a Tokarev hammer assembly sold separately. Not saying they're not out there, but they're very rare. While extras were produced by the Soviets, they were never imported into the US and the only ones you find are those taken out of otherwise wrecked guns.

By the way, Shadow 7D, your name is a Battletech reference, is it not?

 

[Shadow 7D]

Nope, earned it
les jes say that once SGM nick names you by prefacing your first name with "mad"...
well I liked my old call sign better

 

[Mizar]

Uranus, did you try to thoroughly clean the hammer group first? With solvents and such? Old hardened grease /cosmoline/ can give a lot of problems.

Boris

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[stoney1666]

you can take the trigger out and re-bend the spring that pushs the trigger forward to change the trigger pull weight.

 

[UranusDestiny]

thanks for the input guys. I found that Wolff sells a complete set of springs for the Tokarev, so I'll probably purchase that. I have cleaned the outside of the hammer group, but I have not completely disassembled it during the cleaning process, so that's a good point, I'll try that out. If the disassembly cleaning and new springs don't fix this weapon, then I'll probably try buying a separate hammer group, I found a bunch on gunbroker for about 55-60ish dollars. Again, I'm really grateful for your opinions on this matter.

Although I'm still wondering if there is any way to make the trigger heavier, do you guys have any thoughts on that?

EDIT: Didn't see your post when I posted stoney, thanks for the suggestion!

 

[mbt2001]

I agree that getting some new parts in there will make the difference. Some of the surplus guns I have bought in the past were great barrel wise, but some of the parts were literally worn to a nubbin.