Romney On The 2nd Amendment?

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I think it's too early to write of any candidate. We won;t know anything until the first real primary. The problem I see is that nominating a candidate that pull in the republican hard core but can't win the general election is just a vote for Hillary, Obama, etc.

Vote your conscience, not who you think will win.
 
I strongly feel that the mistake that Republicans have been making in recent years is being moderate on most everything therefore standing for nothing. Much of those who don't even vote would be energized by someone who stands very strongly on the issues. I'm going out on a limb by saying that the "empty suit syndrome" era is drawing near to an end.
People wish to see two opposing viewpoints fighting it out in the arena of ideas. That's the only way for the right answer to consistently emerge.
 
The problem I see is that nominating a candidate that pull in the republican hard core but can't win the general election is just a vote for Hillary, Obama, etc.
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Therefore we need Paul. Ever see any strongly pro-life, pro-gun Republican pull so many Democrats ever?

I think that the Clinton-Paul debates are going to have a place in history alongside the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
 
One last thing if no one minds; if gun owners can't discuss politics in an adult manner then we're all sunk. OK, no more responses from me.
 
I'm not a repub, but I will say that from what I've read and what the candidates have said, Romney would be even worse than Guliani on the gun issue, and Guliani would be plenty bad.
 
Paul also wants to put us back on the Gold standard, not bad in theory but impossible to prevent inflation or depressions that way. He also wants to cut and run in Iraq. Whether or not folks think invasion was wise, we are there and certainly don't want to give it to Iran, who caused the bulk of US casualties there (which is still less than on D-Day). Paul has some good ideas, but some very bad ones, too.

Ash
 
i think dismissing paul as "having no chance" is misguided. he is having quite a bit of fundraising success and i talk to LOTS of people who love him. in fact, one thing i notice about him is that his supporters defy the normal stereotypes. i meet people that i have seemingly nothing in common with who support him just as strongly as i do. never before have my neighbor and i agreed on anything political.

JMHO
 
Romney seems to be the worst liar about his feelings on 2A rights. He claims to be a lifelong hunter yet he has never purchased a hunting liscense.

I believe he was quoted as saying that he used to hunt with a .12 caliber shotgun.
 
I must say that I still haven't made up my mind yet. I like a lot of what Paul states. The big thing is is pull out at all cost. Yes it is costing a lot. But EVERY WAR does. Except for NAFTA this economic time reminds me a lot of the late 70's and early 80's.

If he (Paul) does get elected how does he deal with the congress and the house? They will be full of the same old chaff.
 
"The Iraq War is destroying our currency"

No, financial markets aren't worried about Iraq. The credit issues here have damaged our currency - loans to those who should not receive loans. It's not a whole lot different than what happened in Japan in the 90's. Bad loans, not Iraq. Unless, of course, you see us as being in a currency war. If that is the case, then there is even more reason to not cut and run.

Ash
 
We are doomed if Guliani or Clinton are elected. IMO, they are the most politician-esque stereotypical candidates running. Both like to pick there stances after they have seen the polls. Disgusting.
 
Since this topic hasn't closed yet, I'm assuming it's OK to discuss 2A related topics regarding condidates.

If we'd like this thread to STAY open, I suggest we stick to the 2A aspect...
 
It's probably safe to say that Romney and Giuliani fail the 2nd Amendment issue. The others seem very strong on that and, of course, a Democrat must not win.
 
I saw Romney address this on TV . . . as near as I can recall, his words were "I believe in the Second Amendment and a ban on assault weapons."

Sort of like saying "I believe in racial equality and separate drinking fountains for darkies." :barf:
 
Giuliani is a gun grabber and Romney is a gun grabber at heart, but the mask he wears now says he isn't. But you can see from his quotes he doesn't fully support the 2nd Amendment. It's not about "varmint hunting" but about the right to keep and bear arms for freedom, not hunting.

Ron Paul gets it, but he is too crazy elsewheres.

I support Mike Huckabee (see my sig) and he is very strong on the Second Amendment and a REAL hunter, someone who hunted before he sought election.

And in regards to someone who said he doesn't separate church and state - of course he does. Just being pious doesn't mean that he's going to turn the US into a Church Run Institution. Did Arkansas turn into a holy land?

Everyone is lead by their beliefs- his beliefs are those of the Bible. Others may be Jewish beliefs, or Mormon, or something else. Even atheists have beliefs and would run a nation according to those beliefs. I'm not overly religious but someone running the country who believes in "Though shall do no murder" and other basic Christian tenants isn't a bad guy.

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Seems like Huckabee has a history of taxing and spending. Is that pretty much yesterday's news and not at all indicative of his potential as a true Conservative President? He seems pretty squared away on all other issues.
 
Duncan Hunter. I found out about him in a twisted way. Hunter used to spend summers in Texas with his grandmother, who lived next door to the guy who lives next door now to my college roommate. Good man though. Won as a Republican in a Democratic precinct. In California, of all things.
 
Huckabee's tax record and spending record can look "liberal" on the surface. If you read the explanations (or I suppose some may try to call them excuses) they are all legit.

Namely a law was passed that said that Arkansas had to spend millions more on its schools - millions it didn't have. So a new tax was proposed and VOTED on. Voted on by the people. They approved it. They also approved a tax to fix the roads, which were in disrepair.

There is a video of him talking about "acceptable taxes" that his opponents show that is supposed to mean he's pro-taxes. What he was really doing was listing the options they had to come up with more money.

Plain and simple, Arkansas grew economically faster than the national average under Mike Huckabee. He has also signed the pledge to make no new taxes - and if you can't trust the word of a God fearing man, who can you trust? (Someone on the wrong end of a gun, but thats another thread!)

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Hopefully this thread isn't locked before I can post this...

I'd support either Huckabee or Paul given the chance on the ballot. They seem to be the only two who "get" the 2nd Amendment from what I've seen/heard/read.
 
Ron Paul has a crappy foreign policy, no way around that. I love his view on 2A issues and whatnot though. Giuliani just doesn't get it. I lost a lot of respect for Huckabee here this week after what he said about Romney. Just goes to show that he will say absolutely anything to get elected, not my kind of guy. Thompson is un-electable for president I think as well, so that is sort of a no-go for me. Romney seems to be a good guy IMO. He knows how to run sh*t, and thats the kind of guy I want in office. He is the best we have so far I think, unless someone here knows of someone else? (Even if there was someone else, he is so obscure that he has no chance.)

When it comes down to it, I'm voting republican, regardless of the candidate. No libs for president.

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By the way, the 2nd amendment is not the only issue I'm looking at here for a president. There are a lot of big issues this election and they all need to be addressed, not just guns. Just thought I'd make that clear.

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In regards to Huckabee speaking of Romney: I know all politicians say stuff to get elected, but I think saying one man is not christian enough, or less christian than someone else is stepping a bit far. Its liberal speak, sort-of. Like black leaders calling Osama "not black enough" or "too white." Thats just stupid, leave that stuff for the liberals.
 
He did say that there was a gun in his home, but it belonged to his son, not to him.

That should tell you a lot. Hell, my dad was as anti gun as someone could get, but I like guns and like the idea that they are a great tool to defend myself against freelance criminals and organized criminals (government). So what does straight thinking by Romney's kid have to do with his own views.

If he understood the purpose of being armed, then he would be armed.

I think you can be near certain that he is on the Brady side of the understanding of guns and the 2nd amendment. Otherwise he would not try to give the impression via his clearer thinking son, that he liked guns.

Don't you yet recognize the tricks of the political scam artist?
 
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