Ruger 77/357 gladness

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When I got the 77/357, it was based on utilitarian motives. I already had 357 in the house and I had the reloading ability for such.

After shooting it, reloading for it from mild to wild, and carrying it around, I have decided I scored. A blind hog got an acorn.

Cat sneeze loads do not require ear plugs. Even if you shoot from inside a dwelling.

Dinosaur loads do need earplugs.

All were "minute of pie plate" at 50 yards. Easy handling. Decent sights for that range.


Very happy. Thank you, Ruger.
 
Is it safe to fire .38s in the 77/357?

If so, have you shot .38 Wadcutter type loads in it, and how was the accuracy? Smaller than pie plate at 50 yards?

How was the report? Like dry firing, but slightly louder?

Thanks in advance,
LeonCarr
 
Hi Leon,

Is it safe to fire .38s in the 77/357?
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Shoots, but won't feed well from the magazine. I load 'em one at a time. The wadcutter rounds are 148 grain, seated flush. Accuracy within a pie plate at 50 yards.

How was the report? Like dry firing, but slightly louder?
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Louder. In true hillbilly fashion, I have been shooting them inside, past open sliding glass doors in the living room at a good backstop. Not ear ringing loud (for the loads that I use), but still loud enough to irritate the family units throughout the house. Google "cat sneeze loads".

For the catsneeze stuff fire from the couch, all you can hear from outside is "swish" and "tunk". There is a definite delay between the trigger pull and impact.

I use the "wackamole" Lee Classic method of loading.
 
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I have a weakness for .357 carbines, if they put this one out with a southpaw bolt, it's gonna be hard to resist.
 
FWIW, the best thing I did to my 77/44 was put a .004-.006" stainless shim between the two halves of the bolt. Tightened it up, improved the accuracy.
 
GJgo (or anyone) can you post up a link to the page that describes the shim fix, please? Seems like I read and and didn't really sink in - I'll need to review before I try this on my 77/357. Also, if you have any experiential anecdotes to share, regarding cleaning, maintenance or other implications regarding the use of the shim, I'd love to hear it!
 
I wonder if the accuracy varies quite a bit on these rifles?

I read from some people (Jeff Quinns review is one) that they get 2" groups at 100 yards. Others say pie plate accurate at 50 yds.

I am thinking about getting one of these.
 
Best I have been able to get so far is ~2 inches at 50 yards with a scope and various ammo and handloads. It seems to like 140-158gr loads the best. I am thinking the same thing--about trying the bolt shim.

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I just had mine out shooting today. It still likes 125 grain jacketed bullets the best, and still doesnt like 158 grain LSWC's. It also doesnt seem to like the heavier jacketed bullets either.

Using the factory irons at 25 yards offhand, it will put the 125's into right around 3" and at POA, the 158's are over 6" and off to the left.

I tried .38's early on, and decided they were to much of a pain. They tend to want to "rimlock", which locks things up until you remove the mag and clear the lock. Accuracy want all that great either.

Ive had a lot better luck with 357mags, which seem to cycle fine, as long as your deliberate in working the bolt. Any hesitation seems to bring on nose up into the top of the chamber type jams.

At this point, Im going to load a couple of boxes specifically for this rifle, and not bother using my handgun loads with it.

Speaking of peep sights, I still have the NECG peep I bought for it when I first got it. I was going to put it up on EBay next week, after the things I have on there now run out. It was only on the gun for a very short while, and is basically about NIB. If anyone is interested, first $65 takes it.

http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_Services/Peep_Sights.asp
 
I am waiting for them (ie Ruger) to come out with the 77/327 & they would if enough of us would do as I did & request it, the .327 Fed. Mag. is a awesome round..................
 
pikid89 said:
@revoliver
peep sights lose their effectiveness the further from your eye they arewhen a peep is that far away as the skinner barrel sight, your not gaining any of the benefits of a peep, and are just further crowding your sight pictureif on a ruger rifle, I would suggest one of thesehttp://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/G...eep_Sights.asp
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I am posting suggestions based on real world experience with shooting firearms and using peep sights, not something I read in an article by someone else. Nothing you posted in any way makes any sense compared to that.

Peep/aperture sights work just fine at a farther distance for me and many other people, and have for quite some time now.
 
on a barrel sight, the peep opening is like 8 or more inches from your eye. THe idea of a peep sight is to cause a ghosting effect of the rear ring. When it is close to your eye, your brain can ignore it, yet at the same time, your brain can automatically center the front post in the aperture. When it is far from your eye, as on a barrel sight, the aperture is in your field of vision, and your eye must be forced to not focus on it, and must also center it and the front post. The other major advantage of peep sights is to increase the depth of field, making the target appear sharper as you focus on the front sight.

Im not sure where you get off thinking i only read this in some magazine...youre not the only one here to have ever used peep sights

IMO, the reason the barrel peep exists is that people, who dont understand the real power and use of a receiver or tang mounted aperture sight, will buy them only because they read peep sight, and they are super easy to install
 
pikid89 said:
on a barrel sight, the peep opening is like 8 or more inches from your eye. THe idea of a peep sight is to cause a ghosting effect of the rear ring. When it is close to your eye, your brain can ignore it, yet at the same time, your brain can automatically center the front post in the aperture. When it is far from your eye, as on a barrel sight, the aperture is in your field of vision, and your eye must be forced to not focus on it, and must also center it and the front post. The other major advantage of peep sights is to increase the depth of field, making the target appear sharper as you focus on the front sight.*Im not sure where you get off thinking i only read this in some magazine...youre not the only one here to have ever used peep sightsIMO, the reason the barrel peep exists is that people, who dont understand the real power and use of a receiver or tang mounted aperture sight, will buy them
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I don't think you understood my previous post. Please allow me to rephrase.

Based on my real life experience with shooting firearms with peep aperture sights mounted forward of the receiver, nothing you say means a damn thing and has made no differenc in my ability to shoot accurately at distance with those same firearms even when compared to firearms with rear sights closer to the shooter. This is also true for many other people than just me for quite some time now in the history of firearms.

If you do not like that, that is your prerogative.
 
if were going to discuss the history of firearms and peep sights...name any other effective peep sight that was forward mounted other than the ragged hole, and the skinner.

then name all the rear mounted peep sights and their applications. look at an olympic rifle, a high-power rifle, even a battle rifle, a sharps rifle, any rifle with a lyman sight, and you will see that time has proven that rear mounted peeps are better in every way to peeps that are far from the eye

ever consider why we dont put peeps on handguns? because they dont work that far away
 
pikid89 said:
if were going to discuss the history of firearms and peep sights...name any other effective peep sight that was forward mounted other than the ragged hole, and the skinner.then name all the rear mounted peep sights and their applications. look at an olympic rifle, a high-power rifle, even a battle rifle, a sharps rifle, any rifle with a lyman sight, and you will see that time has proven that rear mounted peeps are better in every way to peeps that are far from the eyeever consider why we dont put peeps on handguns? because they dont work that far away
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It is now abundantly clear that you just have no desire to understand what I've posted.
Please feel free to allow your ego to roam free, I will not impede it any further.
 
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Revoliver,

Ive shot both forward and rear mounted peeps, and what pikid89 has stated has been my experience as well.

Its not that the forward mounted peep isnt usable or inaccurate, its just not usable, in the normal peep manner, and does not offer the same advantages.

The biggest disadvantage to the forward mounted peeps is, you still have to consciously align the front and rear sights, where with the rear mounted, as pikid89 stated, youre brain does it automatically without thought. You dont even realize there is a rear sight, unless for some reason you focus on it. This makes the rear mounted peeps much faster, and more natural to shoot with, and my experience has been, more accurate, especially with a fine rear aperture. The reason there is, I dont have to nit pick a sight alignment, my brain has already done it without thought.

Ive also tried a couple pistols with a rear mounted peeps as well, and like the rifle sights they can work, but not very well if you shoot at all realistically.
 
re: shims - I'm looking all over and can't find anyone who has these shim cut to the right dimensions for sale .... do I need to find a machine shop to do this? (perhaps I can get 50 or so for the same price as I can get one, and sell the rest to Ruger 77/357, /22 and /44 owneers ....)
 
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