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Okay, dumb question time.
What kind of corners are being cut to allow Ruger to sell this model at such a reduced price point?
As my screen name indicates, I am mainly a traditional muzzleloader shooter. However, I am toying with getting something in 6.5 Creedmore just to play with and maybe pop a coyote from time to time. I have always liked Ruger firearms, have three now, but I don’t want to be penny wise and pound foolish and buy a rifle not capable of the accuracy the cartridge is.
 
Depends on what price point you’re talking about...I recently bought a Ruger American Ranch in 7.62x39 and it was right at $470. The MSRP from Ruger is $550. Are those the prices you’re talking about?
 
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Depends on what price point you’re talking about...I recently bought a Ruger American Ranch in 7.62x39 and it was right at $470. The MSRP from Ruger is $540. Are those the prices you’re talking about?
Yes.
Considerably less than offerings from other companies or even some other bolt action Ruger rifles.
 
Well, they’re “no frill” rifles, synthetic stocks x but dead on accurate, I have no complaints about mine!

I did look at a CZ 527 - and it was about $300 more than the Ruger. I’m happy with my choice.
 
I have tried just about every ruger ever made with the lost wax investment cast process. not one has ever come close to the accuracy the American predator's series rifles I tried. first a 243, and now a 6mm. dc
 
I can buy the Predators new, OTD pricing is $389. The standard rifles locally are $350 OTD. Most any of the online sellers will ship one to your FFL for around $400. I have three Predators, 6.5 CM, 308, and 223.

Ruger didn't pioneer any of the cost savings steps, but did a good job of incorporating them all together in one rifle. Many of the cost cutting steps are also responsible for the improved accuracy.

The closed top receiver is easier to manufacture, and makes the action stiffer.

And since the closed top requires a DBM that step also reduces costs and helps make the rifle more accurate. Getting an internal magazine to fit and work properly is just one more step to complicate accuracy. It can work, but adds to manufacturing costs.

Savage deserves credit for developing a completely different way of bedding the action to the stock that means much less precise machining, yet makes a more accurate rifle. Ruger borrowed heavily from Savage with their V-Block bedding system. This means that an expensive stiff stock simply isn't necessary for accuracy. They can save a lot of money on the stock and still get great accuracy.

Ruger also borrowed the Accutrigger from Savage. Normally a trigger that can be adjusted so light would be considered too dangerous for a production rifle. The addition of the blade inside the trigger makes it all but impossible for the gun to fire if dropped even with the trigger as light as is possible with them.

The 3 lug bolt with a much larger diameter bolt body also contributes to accuracy while being easier to manufacture.

If you look closely you'll see most of these same features on several budget guns, and they all shoot better than the price tag says they should. The Tikka T3 was one of the 1st. But the Savage Axis, Browning X bolt, Winchester XPR, TC Venture, and probably a couple more I've forgotten all incorporate most of these features. It's simply a new way of thinking about what works. And its hard to argue that it works.

When the Rugers 1st came out I didn't have confidence that they would be reliable enough for a dependable hunting rifle. I thought of them as range guns, or back door hunting rifles. Not something I'd take on an out of state big game hunt. The original magazines were the weak link IMO. But the most recent guns are shipping with better, newly redesigned magazine. I don't have any reservations about using one of them anywhere now.

And while I have acquired some "nice" rifles over the years, some with $1000+ invested, none can match the Ruger Predators for accuracy. Especially the 6.5 and 223.
 
Okay, the rifle itself sounds like a good deal for what I want it for.
Should I go with one that comes with factory installed glass or put the money saved on the rifle toward a better scope?
 
The american is essentially a Savage made by ruger.
Using the barrel nut method cuts down on labor for headspacing quite a bit.
The bolt is full diameter with minimal machining again cutting cost.
The stocks are quickly mass produced out of plastic and not hand fitted, cutting down expense.
The triggers implement the trigger safety like the Savage decreasing or eliminating any real labor for fitting or adjustment.
These are just the obvious things.
 
I absolutely love my ranch in 7.62x39. Mini 30 magazines!
Toss the hybrid46 suppressor on her and it's off to the races!
Have no problem hitting steel at 300 yards as long as I dont heat her up too much (that and I'm shooting cheapo chinese steel cased 70's ammo).

Got a 243 that's meh.

The .22lr American is great though. Can keep her in the black at 100 and on a 8" steel plate at 250 (300 is doable but I run out of adjustment so its Kentucky elevation).
And it uses my assortment of 10/22 magazines, so win win.

The stocks are cheap flimsy pos though. I think that's where they save money.
You just have to be careful on how you pressure load the stock and you can make it work ok.
 
I can buy the Predators new, OTD pricing is $389. The standard rifles locally are $350 OTD. Most any of the online sellers will ship one to your FFL for around $400. I have three Predators, 6.5 CM, 308, and 223.

Ruger didn't pioneer any of the cost savings steps, but did a good job of incorporating them all together in one rifle. Many of the cost cutting steps are also responsible for the improved accuracy.

The closed top receiver is easier to manufacture, and makes the action stiffer.

And since the closed top requires a DBM that step also reduces costs and helps make the rifle more accurate. Getting an internal magazine to fit and work properly is just one more step to complicate accuracy. It can work, but adds to manufacturing costs.

Savage deserves credit for developing a completely different way of bedding the action to the stock that means much less precise machining, yet makes a more accurate rifle. Ruger borrowed heavily from Savage with their V-Block bedding system. This means that an expensive stiff stock simply isn't necessary for accuracy. They can save a lot of money on the stock and still get great accuracy.

Ruger also borrowed the Accutrigger from Savage. Normally a trigger that can be adjusted so light would be considered too dangerous for a production rifle. The addition of the blade inside the trigger makes it all but impossible for the gun to fire if dropped even with the trigger as light as is possible with them.

The 3 lug bolt with a much larger diameter bolt body also contributes to accuracy while being easier to manufacture.

If you look closely you'll see most of these same features on several budget guns, and they all shoot better than the price tag says they should. The Tikka T3 was one of the 1st. But the Savage Axis, Browning X bolt, Winchester XPR, TC Venture, and probably a couple more I've forgotten all incorporate most of these features. It's simply a new way of thinking about what works. And its hard to argue that it works.

When the Rugers 1st came out I didn't have confidence that they would be reliable enough for a dependable hunting rifle. I thought of them as range guns, or back door hunting rifles. Not something I'd take on an out of state big game hunt. The original magazines were the weak link IMO. But the most recent guns are shipping with better, newly redesigned magazine. I don't have any reservations about using one of them anywhere now.

And while I have acquired some "nice" rifles over the years, some with $1000+ invested, none can match the Ruger Predators for accuracy. Especially the 6.5 and 223.


Great explanation.

I have a RARR in .300 Blackout and it's awesome.

Really nice that it comes threaded for a suppressor too.
 
I absolutely love my ranch in 7.62x39. Mini 30 magazines!
Toss the hybrid46 suppressor on her and it's off to the races!
Have no problem hitting steel at 300 yards as long as I dont heat her up too much (that and I'm shooting cheapo chinese steel cased 70's ammo).

Got a 243 that's meh.

The .22lr American is great though. Can keep her in the black at 100 and on a 8" steel plate at 250 (300 is doable but I run out of adjustment so its Kentucky elevation).
And it uses my assortment of 10/22 magazines, so win win.

The stocks are cheap flimsy pos though. I think that's where they save money.
You just have to be careful on how you pressure load the stock and you can make it work ok.


What does pressure load the stock mean?
 
The stock is CHEAP.
You have to make sure you dont put too much pressure on the forend or else it'll flex then contact the barrel and open up your groups. I can hasty sling it and torque the forend into contact.
Just sitting at the bench it's not bad.

I've had to dremel and sand the barrel channel to open it up to prevent this. And epoxy fill to make it rigid since I don't want to buy a new stock for her.

My 243 is really bad with this.
The others not so much.
 
Just a note on the stock, as everyone has covered most of the rest. There are currently 3 generation/types of stiffening used on the stock forends. The current honey comb is as stiff or stiffer than pretty much all the other lower cost synthetics ive tried, and on part with the T3x. I personally dont care for the feel of the americans factory stock, but they are functional.
 
Looks, really. And most of the RAR variations are still decent looking.

What they haven't cut corners on is accuracy. Several manufacturers have worked out how to make almost boringly accurate rifles with great barrels, good triggers, crap stocks and no bells, whistles, or embelishments.

CAD, CNC, various types of finishes that do not require much polishing, things like pinned heads on bolts that true up the cartridge bore alignment without micrometer -true receivers, plastic (sorry, polymer), trigger gaurds, box magazines, and swivels all add up to less time making and lower cost.

Would I rather hold a pre '64 Winchester Model 70 or a Savage 99 250-3000 takedown from just after WWI? Yes I would. But a Ruger American Ranch will outshoot both of them. And, in a rifle that I'm going to drag around the woods, I'd rather an accurate $400 rifle that wasn't much to look at to start with.

From about 15 BC onwards (Before Corona), we have been living in a new Golden Age of firearms. Dirt cheap sub MOA bolt guns, ARs that are pretty darn accurate, available in flavors from your Dad's 5.56 to 50 Beowulf, and a LOT in between, many at quite unbelievably !is prices, to very, very shootable GI style 1911s at near zip-gun prices. Throw in plastic (sorry, polymer) pistols at Crazy Larry prices.

If you want classic styling, multi-generational, heirloom fireaems, there are plenty of those available too. And genuine, 1000 yard, master marksman rifles of unbelievable quality and precision. These all cost more, but are still remarkable in the main from a value for money perspective.

So. If you want an accurate rifle that doesn't cost much, doesn't look all that special, will not be much of a family heirloom, but will reliably do it's job, won't mind being scuffed up a little, comes with excellent customer service and is made in the USA by American working men and women, the Ruger American Rifle is it.
 
I have no idea what "corners are cut". I can only speak to price and performance. I have a RAR predator in 6.5 CM (paid $424 OTD at a gun show 1 year ago for it), with a Vortex copperhead 4-12X mounted. Using federal nontypical white tail 140 grain soft points ($17 a box at Academy Sports), it typically groups between 1/2 to 1 inches at 100 yards, and had no issues putting down my 6 point that I closed my season out with this year. I also have RAR ranch model in 300 BLK ($368 OTD from a gun show in 2017) with a cheap 4X scope. I exclusively use this rifle with my silencerco omega, and I fire either Remington 220 grain subs (for play) or 190m grain Hornady subs (for critters). Either of these will print 1" at 50 yards. My only complaints about these 2 rifles are that the stocks are as ugly as home made sin, and they both use weird and expensive magazines that don't seem to be of particularly great quality. However, there are later versions of these rifles that use AR type mags.
 
I have no idea what "corners are cut". I can only speak to price and performance. I have a RAR predator in 6.5 CM (paid $424 OTD at a gun show 1 year ago for it), with a Vortex copperhead 4-12X mounted. Using federal nontypical white tail 140 grain soft points ($17 a box at Academy Sports), it typically groups between 1/2 to 1 inches at 100 yards, and had no issues putting down my 6 point that I closed my season out with this year. I also have RAR ranch model in 300 BLK ($368 OTD from a gun show in 2017) with a cheap 4X scope. I exclusively use this rifle with my silencerco omega, and I fire either Remington 220 grain subs (for play) or 190m grain Hornady subs (for critters). Either of these will print 1" at 50 yards. My only complaints about these 2 rifles are that the stocks are as ugly as home made sin, and they both use weird and expensive magazines that don't seem to be of particularly great quality. However, there are later versions of these rifles that use AR type mags.
My question about cutting corners comes from years of being around construction and home maintenance. Three contractors bid on a job.
Contractor A bids $1200. Contractor B bids $1150. Contractor C bids $750. (BTW, these are close to actual figures of one particular job I remember) While many people think A and B are trying to rip people off and will hire C, the fact is, that A and B use good materials and hire skilled workers while C uses low end materials and hires workers who aren’t sure which end of the screwdriver they are supposed to grab.
They people who hire C get what they pay for. Instead of looking at the price alone they should have wondered why there was so much difference.
In Ruger’s case, let’s look at two handguns, the Single Six and the Wrangler. Both six shot .22, both single action. Just going by MSRP, over $400 in price difference. The reason for the price difference is that a few corners have been cut on the Wrangler. Aluminum in place of steel in a few places, finish not as good, non adjustable sights..... probably a few other things I don’t know about. I bought a Wrangler because for my intended purpose, plinking, it’s all I need. But there were corners cut to make it an out the door for $200 handgun.
 
I purchased a Ruger American in 308 from a pawn shop for $300. The attached scope was junk so added a Vortex Diamondback. It's a rifle used by my grandkids to take several deer and has been 100% reliable. I still see a few used in the same price range.
 
My question about cutting corners comes from years of being around construction and home maintenance. Three contractors bid on a job.
Contractor A bids $1200. Contractor B bids $1150. Contractor C bids $750. (BTW, these are close to actual figures of one particular job I remember) While many people think A and B are trying to rip people off and will hire C, the fact is, that A and B use good materials and hire skilled workers while C uses low end materials and hires workers who aren’t sure which end of the screwdriver they are supposed to grab.
They people who hire C get what they pay for. Instead of looking at the price alone they should have wondered why there was so much difference.
In Ruger’s case, let’s look at two handguns, the Single Six and the Wrangler. Both six shot .22, both single action. Just going by MSRP, over $400 in price difference. The reason for the price difference is that a few corners have been cut on the Wrangler. Aluminum in place of steel in a few places, finish not as good, non adjustable sights..... probably a few other things I don’t know about. I bought a Wrangler because for my intended purpose, plinking, it’s all I need. But there were corners cut to make it an out the door for $200 handgun.
I think the cost cutting comes from simplifying the manufacturing with very little r&d needed. It's basically an accumulation of many of the other rifles on the market with just enough polish to bring it to a slightly higher level than other entry rifles.
There's nothing special about the Americans, good or bad. They just do "cheap" better than most, if not all, the other sub 500 dollar guns (imo).

They have also been following the t3s history in moving upscale a bit. A stock redesign, and some extra polish work on the action parts and they would be right there.....price wise too im sure.
 
I guess then that the ugly plastic stock is a "cut corner". But that ugly stock is anchored in with steel inserts, and the groups my rifles are producing speak for themselves. Also, many others will attest to Ruger's reputation for excellent customer service.
 
I bought a RA just before deer season in 243 since I had sold my other 243 and had so much ammo left. I paid $275 or so on a GB auction plus the shipping and transfer. Mine has the newest style stock with the stiffer forend. Its worlds better stock wise the the crap stock that came on the one Savage I made the mistake of buying.

So far my best groups are in the 1.5" range but thats with loads worked up for my other 243. So far I'm happy with the gun. I next would like to get the 7.62x39 rifle.

Others have listed the cost cutting. The matt finish, plastic stock and cost cutting machine work all make it possible to sell a gun at a discount. Its not an heirloom rifle but perfectly suitable for field and hunting use.
 
Here is a picture of the last 3 shots from my 243 RA rifle. The bullseye is a 2" circle so I guess thats about a 1.25" group. Not as good as others have reported but good enough for hunting. More load tweaking will make it a little better but I can live with it like it is.

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