Ruger PC Charger

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Just saw pics of the new charger on Reddit with a brace and a can, looks awesome! I'm definitely going to need one.
 
Barrel is shorter than I feel is an ideal length for what is a legal short barrel rifle, 10 inches is a perfect length. Also, why is the barrel takedown? I assume Ruger kept that feature to use the same receivers, but a takedown with a 6 inch barrel? That adds nothing to this gun.

Overall I'm not sure if the PC carbines/pistol are a better choice vs an AR.
 
TTv2 said:
Barrel is shorter than I feel is an ideal length for what is a legal short barrel rifle, 10 inches is a perfect length. Also, why is the barrel takedown? I assume Ruger kept that feature to use the same receivers, but a takedown with a 6 inch barrel? That adds nothing to this gun.

Overall I'm not sure if the PC carbines/pistol are a better choice vs an AR.
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The takedown feature absolutely adds something if you have a can on the end and you want to leave it on when you disassemble the gun. I have been pondering what to do when I travel with my PC Carbine. My current carrying case would require me to also remove my can. With the Charger I could leave it on.
 
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Barrel is shorter than I feel is an ideal length for what is a legal short barrel rifle, 10 inches is a perfect length. Also, why is the barrel takedown? I assume Ruger kept that feature to use the same receivers, but a takedown with a 6 inch barrel? That adds nothing to this gun.

Overall I'm not sure if the PC carbines/pistol are a better choice vs an AR.
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I agree. I'd like some more room up front to maybe mount a light &/or laser.
I'm hoping Ruger will come out with a 10" (or so) barrel in the future, although their track record hasn't been very good so far.
 
I would prefer a 8-10" barrel, but I'll take 6. I like the takedown feature. It allows cleaning from the breech and not knocking more dirt into the receiver. Also it gives Ruger commonality of parts for lower costs.

I also like it takes standard AR grips.
 
That's pretty cool, but only a 6.5" barrel. Might as well have a Glock 17L?

Imagine if Ruger made that thing with a telescoping bolt and a mag in the grip to get more barrel out of the same overall length? Probably not a big enough deal with 9mm ballistically if the barrel only made it to 10", though. :oops:

Just thinking out loud. That is a very interesting development from Ruger. :)
 
MSRP of $799.00, which is the same as the chassis model PC carbines. Yet the carbines include the adjustable stock and have a bunch more expensive metal in front of the receiver.

Ruger, whatcha thinkin'? Do you expect "black gun" demand to spike this year or what?
 
chicharrones said:
MSRP of $799.00, which is the same as the chassis model PC carbines. Yet the carbines include the adjustable stock and have a bunch more expensive metal in front of the receiver.

Ruger, whatcha thinkin'? Do you expect "black gun" demand to spike this year or what?
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Comes with the hand stop, and rail adapter at the back. So it's basically the same as the chassis carbine.

Though I do agree that it might be a tad overpriced.
 
At first I thought it was some sort of 10/22 Charger redo but then when I saw that it was a 9mm. suddenly things got a whole lot more interesting! I agree that a longer barrel would be nice along with a somewhat lower price for admission but it's definitely caught my eye!
 
troy fairweather said:
I like it, to bad we can't own it in New york, because it's to heavy, some county's overlook this law tho.
Now they really need a 10mm or 5.7
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Don't hold your breath. I talked with a Ruger engineer at a NRA show and designing the PCC to accept .45 ACP wasn't even on their radar. As he explained it it would require a complete redesign of the carbine. Basically starting with a clean sheet of paper. The higher ups at Ruger didn't see a return on investment.
 
bannockburn said:
At first I thought it was some sort of 10/22 Charger redo but then when I saw that it was a 9mm. suddenly things got a whole lot more interesting! I agree that a longer barrel would be nice along with a somewhat lower price for admission but it's definitely caught my eye!
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That's why I had blown off any notice of it as well.

Todd.
 
How it's set up in that picture is pretty much exactly how I'd want it, very functional, the folding brace and removable 6.5" barrel should make it basically fit in a small shoebox. I wouldn't want the barrel any longer, with 8" of suppressor attached it will be plenty long, and extra barrel is more of a hindrance than a benefit of you're trying to keep rounds subsonic.
 
Texas10mm said:
Don't hold your breath. I talked with a Ruger engineer at a NRA show and designing the PCC to accept .45 ACP wasn't even on their radar. As he explained it it would require a complete redesign of the carbine. Basically starting with a clean sheet of paper. The higher ups at Ruger didn't see a return on investment.
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ya I've known this the first time I looked at one, I believe even ruger said the 9mm was about the limit for the design. Guess the 40 they just added more buffer weight to a already to heavy gun.
 
If the actual retail price comes down to something reasonable, this ought to sell well. The take down feature is intriguing to me. I already have a CZ scorpion so I am not sure this offers much I can't do with that.
 
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22plinkster just put out a good video on the PC Charger.



I hope they come out with a .40 version.
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Glad I read replies to the end had just viewed that vid and was going to post it.
Any one has doubts what a short pistol barrel can do fo accuracy, view that video. Granted the marksman is a few clicks above the average trigger puller.
 
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Barrel is shorter than I feel is an ideal length for what is a legal short barrel rifle, 10 inches is a perfect length.
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Regarding the 6" barrel - the point of this is rather obviously to be an un-rifle (a workaround to the NFA SBR rules) that allows 3 points of contact when shooting. Nothing magic happens to ballistics of 9mm with barrel length beyond 6" - in most cases, you're talking ~100 fps gain by running all the way to 16". http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html 9mm is not .223. Its small case capacity means it just doesn't generate the kind of gas volumes that are needed to keep pushing hard on the back of the bullet in a 10" tube... rates of acceleration are pretty slow after the first 5-6", and even go negative in some loads in rifle length barrels (i.e., bullet is slowing down from peak before it exits the muzzle).

In 9mm, once you're under 16" (triggering NFA compliance issues - here a brace rather than a real stock), there's really very little reason not to go all the way down to 6-8". And if you're planning to hang a suppressor on the end, 6" is surely preferable to, say, 10".
 
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