Rust Issues
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dromel
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Please, not STEEL wool. Use bronze wool, 4/0 or 5/0I'm just so heartbroken looking at those pics, but welcome to the forum!
The issue with the Chinese drywall was sulphur outgassing, and even if a safe was "made" in the USA, the chances are high that any drywall used in its construction would have come from China.
There should be a chemical test out there you can do to detect the presence of sulphur.
You might also try hanging a RID bag in the safe, if it fills with water, then you have a moisture issue, if not it might be corrosive gasses.
As far as trying to salvage your guns, oiled steel wool is probably your best bet, followed by a heavy layer of rust preventative like CLP, Rem Oil, or silicone spray. After that, I would look into some of the silicone storage bags that are commercially available.
Once again, so sorry.......
NIGHTLORD40K
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000 and 0000 steel wool has been used for decades by gunsmiths. Indeed, Birchwood Casey tells you to use it with both their wood and metal refinishing products. I don't doubt that bronze wool would work as well, but steel wool is the industry standard.
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The problem with steel wool on stainless steel guns is that the steel wool leaves behind bits of the wool in the stainless steel, then those bits rust.
NIGHTLORD40K
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Which is why I always go back over my stainless with chrome polish afterwards.....
stonebuster
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It hurts to look at what happened to your guns after all you did to protect them. If it's the safe there's got to be others with the same problem. How long did it take for them to get in that condition?
Optimal humidity for items made out of paper, leather, wool and other organic materials is different from the optimal humidity for the preservation of reactive metals.
For steel, the general rule is that the lower the humidity, the better as it is the water vapor in the air that is necessary for oxidation of the iron.
I agree that's the most likely explanation.
For comparison, my gun safe is located at the back of an indoor closet. It is not fire-resistant, so no issues with insulating materials. The environment runs between 68 and 74 degrees Fahrenheit and 30 and 45% relative humidity. My guns are cleaned each time they are shot and a thin coating of Sears Household Oil (generic 3-in-1) is used on the metal parts. A grease is used on two rifles where their design makes it very difficult to access the portion of the barrel beneath the handguards.
avengd7x - I've got to ask if you have any muriatic acid (HCl) anywhere in the same room or even out of the room but fairly close? Even in a closed container, that will cause any iron to rust if it is anywhere in the vicinity for an extended period of time.
jleonard
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Have you tried contacting one of the gun companies? They all have metallurgists on staff and would be able to figure out the source.
If this outgassing issue is because of the drywall then the word needs to go out immediately so people can pull their guns out of these safes and warn consumers not to buy any of this company's products. I would be so angry if this happened to my guns. I have been reading about this Chinese drywall for a few years now - it is a real problem.
wickedsprint
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Are bleach or agressive cleaning products stored or used on floor near safe?
My guess, If so, this particular safe is not as well sealed either from hole in bottom or door seal compared to the others.
My guess, If so, this particular safe is not as well sealed either from hole in bottom or door seal compared to the others.
bass pro contacted me and is handing me off to Granite Security who is the manufacturer. I have yet to call them though
There are no chemicals around the safes, ammo on one side and two other safes on the other. I really think the safes are sealed well, the humidity in the basement is always between 35-40% and the humidity in the safes is always between 15-25%
update: I called them today and they're actually made by Winchester. they wanted pictures so I linked them to this thread.
There are no chemicals around the safes, ammo on one side and two other safes on the other. I really think the safes are sealed well, the humidity in the basement is always between 35-40% and the humidity in the safes is always between 15-25%
update: I called them today and they're actually made by Winchester. they wanted pictures so I linked them to this thread.
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SilentStalker
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Any updates?
SilentStalker
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Replacement of safe and company pays for refinish of all damaged firearms?
I'm an NRA lifetime member, I thought they used to have some kind of insurance, but nothing else.
SilentStalker
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Which is basically nothing. I have a scope that cost more than that.
theotherwaldo
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If a safe manufacturer is not responsible for damage caused by improper construction of the safe then they aren't much of a company... .
Well that sucks! How long ago was this safe purchased? I wonder how many others are out there with this problem. Surely this is not a one off occurrence.
Have you tried cleaning up any of the items? I'm assuming none of the damage can just be wiped off...
What state are you in? I wonder if small claims court would be an option.
Have you tried cleaning up any of the items? I'm assuming none of the damage can just be wiped off...
What state are you in? I wonder if small claims court would be an option.
I know, I'm annoyed... I know you can't tell from the condition of the guns I posted, but I really do take good care of my guns.
I clean them after every use and I have almost every gun lube I can get my hands on. every safe has weather stripping (I know it ruins the fire resistance), all the holes covered, 4 canisters of desiccants, a golden rod, a humidity gauge (in each safe and in the basement), and the basement they're stored in has two 75 gallon dehumidifiers.
I've tried to clean up the guns, but I have only tried using oil and a microfiber towel.
If anyone is wondering the safes are manufactured by Winchester. there are some other threads out there about guns rusting in Winchester safes, so I'd advise anyone looking for a safe to steer clear of them.
the frustrating thing is that I bought these safes because they're advertised as made in the USA. i hoped to avoid this kind of issue.
thanks again for everyone's feedback and assistance
I clean them after every use and I have almost every gun lube I can get my hands on. every safe has weather stripping (I know it ruins the fire resistance), all the holes covered, 4 canisters of desiccants, a golden rod, a humidity gauge (in each safe and in the basement), and the basement they're stored in has two 75 gallon dehumidifiers.
I've tried to clean up the guns, but I have only tried using oil and a microfiber towel.
If anyone is wondering the safes are manufactured by Winchester. there are some other threads out there about guns rusting in Winchester safes, so I'd advise anyone looking for a safe to steer clear of them.
the frustrating thing is that I bought these safes because they're advertised as made in the USA. i hoped to avoid this kind of issue.
thanks again for everyone's feedback and assistance
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