S&W 629 Classic info/advise needed

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I have the opportunity to get a S&W 629 Classic 629 w/ a 8 3/8 barrel. This is not a gun I was looking for but a friend of mine knows a guy who might sell it to me for 400 cash for a house payment or taxes. I said I would be willing to pay 400 because that is about all I could afford (poor college student). I know these are sweet guns, but the 500 has seemed to have taken it's place in the magnum world. I do reload so ammo isn't too big of a concern.

I carry a S&W 640-1, pre-lock (sought it out and love it) and know all about the 640 series, but I have no idea for what to look for in a 629. I would like to know what are the good prefixes, what are things I should look at (forcing cone problems/cracks, something to look at that I might not know to look at?)?

I have not seen the gun and really just threw out a number that I thought was reasonable. What should I go up to if he decides to want more? The guy told me it had under 50 rounds ran threw it, and from what I know of the seller, he doesn't have a lot of money so I doubt he can really afford to shoot it a lot.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Good price for a good gun. The suffix number should be -5...I think, if its the heavy underlug barrel.

Look up the gun on Gunbroker and see what the bids are on them. Most of the bids are around $450 for standard classic so far.
 
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The classic is an excellent gun, and $400 would be virtually stealing it. On the other hand, they're not cheap to shoot, and an 8-inch barrel is a bit much. At that length, I start looking for training wheels or those "Y"-shaped sticks you rest the barrel in before you take aim and shoot. The gun is a beauty and for the price, I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat.

This is my 6-inch classic. It's never been fired, has a pinned barrel, recessed chambers and a stamped sideplate.

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The 8 3/8 inch barrel is not particularly sought after so I probably wouldn't go much over $400. You can go to gunbroker.com and click on "revolvers" in the "firearms" section. Then at the top of the page type in "629 Classic" in their search engine. You'll get an idea of what it might sell for. Keep in mind that some of those sellers are dealers, they ask for the moon, and their guns have been on gunbroker, sometimes for years. The asking price doesn't mean anything. But you can keep an eye on the guns that are being bid on.

As far as what to look for, the following is from a sticky here.

Check the cylinder play.

1) With the gun UNLOADED (check for yourself!), close the action.

2) Thumb the hammer back, and while pulling the trigger, gently lower the hammer all the way down while keeping the trigger back - and KEEP holding the trigger once the hammer is down. (You've now put the gun in "full lockup" - keep it there for this and most other tests.)

3) With the trigger still back all the way, check for cylinder wiggle. Front/back is particularly undesirable; a bit of side to side is OK but it's a bad thing if you can wiggle it one way, let go, and then spin it the other way a fraction of an inch and it stays there too. At the very least, it should "want" to stop in just one place (later, we'll see if that place is any good). The ultimate is a "welded to the frame" feeling.

Check the cylinder gap.

4) Still holding the trigger at full lockup, look sideways through the barrel/cylinder gap. If you can get a credit card in there, that ain't good...velocity drops rapidly as the gap increases. Too tight isn't good either, because burnt powder crud will "fill the gap" and start making the cylinder spin funky. My personal .38snubbie is set at .002, usually considered the minimum...after about 40 shots at the range, I have to give the front of the cylinder a quick wipe so it spins free again. I consider that a reasonable tradeoff for the increased velocity because in a real fight, I ain't gonna crank 40 rounds out of a 5-shot snub .

If you're eyeballing it, you'll have to hold it up sideways against an overhead light source.

Checking the timing.

5) You really, REALLY want an unloaded gun for this one. This is where the light comes in. With the gun STILL held in full lockup, trigger back after lowering the hammer by thumb, you want to shine a light right into the area at the rear of the cylinder near the firing pin. You then look down the barrel . You're looking to make sure the cylinder bore lines up with the barrel. Check every cylinder - that means putting the gun in full lockup for each cylinder before lighting it up.

You're looking for the cylinder and barrel holes to line up perfectly, it's easy to eyeball if there's even a faint light source at the very rear of both bores. And with no rounds present, it's generally easy to get some light in past where the rims would be.

Checking the bore.

(We're finally done with that "full lockup" so rest your trigger finger. )

6) Swing the cylinder open, or with most SAs pull the cylinder. Use the small flashlight to scope the bore out. This part's easy - you want to avoid pitting, worn-out rifling, bulges of any sort. You want more light on the subject than just what creeps in from the rear of the cylinder on the timing check.

You also want to check each cylinder bore, in this case with the light coming in from the FRONT of each hole, you looking in from the back where the primers would be. You're looking for wear at the "restrictions" at the front of each cylinder bore. That's the "forcing cone" area and it can wear rapidly with some Magnum loads. (Special thanks to Salvo below for this bit!)

Checking the trigger.

7) To test a trigger without dry-firing it, use a plastic pen in front of the hammer to "catch" it with the off hand, especially if it's a "firing pin on the hammer" type. Or see if the seller has any snap-caps, that's the best solution. Flat-faced hammers as found in transfer-bar guns (Ruger, etc) can be caught with the off-hand without too much pain .

SA triggers (or of course a DA with the hammer cocked) should feel "like a glass rod breaking". A tiny amount of take-up slack is tolerable, and is common on anything with a transfer bar or hammerblock safety.

DA triggers are subjective. Some people like a dead-smooth feel from beginning of stroke to the end, with no "warning" that it's about to fire. Others (myself included) actually prefer a slight "hitch" right at the end, so we know when it's about to go. With that sort of trigger, you can actually "hold it" right at the "about to fire" point and do a short light stroke from there that rivals an SA shot for accuracy. Takes a lot of practice though. Either way, you don't want "grinding" through the length of the stroke, and the final stack-up at the end (if any) shouldn't be overly pronounced.

Detecting Bad Gunsmithing:

8) OK, so it's got a rock-solid cylinder, a .002" or .003" gap, and the trigger feels great. Odds are vastly in favor of it being tuned after leaving the factory.

So was the gunsmith any good?

First, cock it, then grab the hammer and "wiggle it around" a bit. Not too hard, don't bang on it, but give it a bit of up/down, left/right and circular action with finger off trigger and WATCH your muzzle direction.

You don't want that hammer slipping off an overly polished sear. You REALLY don't want that It can be fixed by installing factory parts but that'll take modest money (more for installation than hardware costs) and it'll be bigtime unsafe until you do.

The other thing that commonly goes wrong is somebody will trim the spring, especially coil springs. You can spot that if you pull the grip panels, see if the spring was trimmed with wire cutters. If they get too wild with it, you'll get ignition failures on harder primers. But the good news is, replacement factory or Wolf springs are cheap both to buy and have installed.

Timing (test #5) is very critical...if that's off, the gun may not even be safe to test-fire. And naturally, a crappy barrel means a relatively pricey fix.

Cylinder gap is particularly critical on short-barreled and/or marginal caliber guns. If you need every possible ounce of energy, a tight gap helps. Some factory gaps will run as high as .006"; Taurus considers .007" "still in spec" (sigh). You'll be hard-pressed to find any new pieces under .004" - probably because the makers realize some people don't clean 'em often (or very well) and might complain about the cylinder binding up if they sell 'em at .002".
 
The classic is an excellent gun, and $400 would be virtually stealing it. On the other hand, they're not cheap to shoot, and an 8-inch barrel is a bit much. At that length, I start looking for training wheels or those "Y"-shaped sticks you rest the barrel in before you take aim and shoot. The gun is a beauty and for the price, I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat.

This is my 6-inch classic. It's never been fired, has a pinned barrel, recessed chambers and a stamped sideplate.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/SW629_4-1.jpg

How can it be a classic without the full underlug? I thought that was one of the defining differences of the classic 629 line?

I'm getting a 6½ classic model to take up silhoutte shooting myself, an 8 3/8 was considered but I think the 6½ is more versatile.
 
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This is not a gun I was looking for ...

While that's a good price, I personally wouldn't buy a revolver with a barrel that long. Unless you really want an 8-inch, or are looking for trade fodder, you should pass. I think 4-inch revolvers are about the most versatile, and 6-inch is about as long as I'd ever go.

Hypothesis: run a search on Gunbroker's revolver list for "629," and I'll bet that the 8-3/8" barrel length shows up more frequently than any other. There's a reason for that.
 
Long live long barrels!

I have a couple of long barrelled revolvers, an 8 3/8" Model 14 and a 7 1/2" Redhawk. If you're not going to carry the thing as a lifestyle, a long barrel is great. I have a 4" 14 and there's no denying that the long one outshoots the short one. Everyone who's tried both of 'em can hit their target better with the long one.

Also, $400 is a steal! Check "completed auctions" on Gunbroker if you don't believe me. Personally, I'd snap it up forthwith.
 
the 629 classic is a fine gun... if you can pick it up for 400.. and it is not all to pieces.. do it! you won't regret it...
 
How can it be a classic without the full underlug? I thought that was one of the defining differences of the classic 629 line?

You are correct, but there's a reason Confederate was thinking along those lines. If you go to S&W's web site, they now offer lots of square-butt guns and call them all "Classics." So nowadays to S&W, the word "Classic" is more broadly applied to any pre-1993 style gun.
 
This is a M629-4 Classic. Five inch barrel. I installed X grips to cut the recoil.

If his pistol had the five inch barrel I could totally recommend it. When you get into 8 3/8" barrels the balance and size are totally different. And not necessarily for the good.

My M629 is exceptionally accurate, it has small chamber mouths, like .429 instead of .431. Something like that.

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Keep in mind that some of those sellers are dealers, they ask for the moon, and their guns have been on gunbroker, sometimes for years.
Yes, everyone wants

harmonic said:
Cylinder gap is particularly critical on short-barreled and/or marginal caliber guns. If you need every possible ounce of energy, a tight gap helps. Some factory gaps will run as high as .006; Taurus considers .007 "still in spec" (sigh). You'll be hard-pressed to find any new pieces under .004
Don't be too quick to draw conclusions on this, as no one has really tested B/C gaps recently that I know of. Back in the 70s, the specifications were .004 - .009. Gun writers back in those days concluded was that .006 was optimum as far as accuracy was concerned, but many wanted .004. I'm not convinced that B/C gaps make that much of a difference in anything within those specs above, though I prefer gaps of .004-.006. If I discovered my guns had .007 gaps, it wouldn't bother me at all.

HisDivineShadow said:
How can it be a classic without the full underlug? I thought that was one of the defining differences of the classic 629 line?
If a gun is a "classic," I assume it to be one of the original issue guns (as Oro notes). If it's a "Classic" (capital "C"), it's like Coke Classic -- a brand name. The classic (pre '93) guns are the ones I love, as they have recessed chambers, pinned barrel, stamped sideplate and flash chromed hammers and triggers. The Classics, on the other hand, have a lot more weight without beefing up the critical areas. I'm not a fan of heavy underlug barrels, especially for outdoor hiking/camping/climbing. If weight were not an issue, I'd most likely get a Ruger Redhawk and have a good gunsmith make the action like ice.

The $400 price is great, and I wouldn't walk away from it, though I can't envision ever carrying it anywhere.

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If this is a gun you have a use for, that is an excellent price.

If you don't have an desire for it, it is still a good price but you'll be out $400 for something you don't really like. By the time you shoot it, buy dies, etc. for it, you will probably not turn a profit on it when you try to sell it.

I would only buy it if you plan to keep it.
 
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