Savage 110, new vs old.

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A friend of mine who use to be a gunsmith before he retired told me that the early Savage rifles were junk compared to the current model ones. He was talking about the ones made around the 70s-80s maybe 90s. A little research on the Internet turned up a few issues but nothing notable. He said the accuracy was the main concern and told me to stay away from them.

I searched around and couldn't find a real answer but I'd like to know because I found a reasonable deal on an older model 10 in .308. I don't want to buy a lemon.
 
Strange,

That would include the period when Savage made it's name for accuracy beyond their price point with the barrel-nut mounting system. I can't say I can offer support for the man's opinion.
 
He doesn't hold a high opinion of Savage rifles even now, so maybe hes just biased. I'm glad you disagree as I've always liked Savage refles and the older ones are cheaper.
 
Ive owned three or four in the last decade. Most accurate was a 2004 ish 110fp with pillar bed plastic stock and accutrigger. Least accurate was a 2012ish 270wsm with blued barrel and accustock. Right now messing with the most beautiful Savage Ive glommed onto: a 14 Am. Classic stainless. This thing has a smooth action good accutrigger and tiger stripped stock front to back on both sides. Getting 1.4 moa at 200 meters. Havent tried any good loads yet. Might spin off the barrel for a Shilen replacement if she wont settle down.
 
dvdcrr, What is wrong with 1.4 moa at 200 yards? That should be least then 1.0 moa at 100 yards. In my book that is what I expect for a factory barrel plus you didn't say if you reloaded for it or not.
 
I can't speak to the accuracy of the new or old Savage rifles, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Savage barrel nut system had nothing to do with accuracy when it was first used. It had to do with re-using a bunch of leftover machine gun barrel blanks and the equipment already on hand to make more of them thanks to WWII machine gun component production contracts. I can't say whether or not it's true and I don't even know which machine gun we'd be discussing, just thought I'd share that.
 
If you bought a Savage that old...it wouldn't be under the warranty. Savage was purchased by new owners a few years ago and if you go to Savage's website, you will see where the SN begins on what they will honor the Savage warranty.

I find Savage's warranty to suck, even though I love Savage rifles.

The truly older Savages weren't that great in the precision department, but I can tell you that a lot has changed in the past 15-20 years.

I'm still not a fan of the Savage action as it's not nearly as smooth as I would like, but there are work arounds for that if it's a concern.

Savage is IMO the best bang for the buck because if your barrel does not shoot to your standards, taking 15 minutes can yield you some incredible results by replacing the barrel.
 
flip888: I have to seriously disagree with Your old friend on the accuracy level on Old Bolt Action Savage Rifles. My Son and I have several older models ((( Pre Accutrigger Models ))), that we have bought used over the years.Several of them are just plain scarey accurate under 1/2 inch at a 100 yds. And even our Sporter Barreled Savages Rifles will shoot 1 inch at a 100 yds most of the time. To be real honest, I have never seen a Savage Rifle, that won`t shoot and shoot extremly well.((( IMHO))) I would buy that 308 Savage Rifle and not give it a 2nd thought. I bet You will be very happy with it.
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dvdcrr, What is wrong with 1.4 moa at 200 yards? That should be least then 1.0 moa at 100 yards. In my book that is what I expect for a factory barrel plus you didn't say if you reloaded for it or not.
1.4 MOA at 200 yards is the same as 1.4 MOA at 100 yards, namely 1.4 MOA. At 200 yards it would be a 2.8" group while it would be a 1.4" group at 100 yards.

I've only got one Savage rifle and it's a 110E in 30-06 that will at some point become a 6.5-06 or 280 AI. It's one of the late 80s/early 90s ones with the integral or soldered-on scope bases. I've only shot it a couple of times and it's pretty accurate. I've got 2 other 30-06s that I hunt with so this one is gonna be a long-ish-er range gun.

Matt
 
I've got a 70s era Savage 110 in 270 Win- while it isn't the most accurate rifle I've ever shot, it isn't a slouch either. The only quibble I have with it is that certain profile 150 gn bullets will occasionally jam on trying to feed into the chamber due to the angle the cartridge gets loaded in. Overall it has been a good rifle for the past 30 decades I've owned it.
 
Older Savage 110's

I still have my first center fire rifle. A Savage 110CL
Weird because it has a blind magazine! It is also a J-Series.

I think I have the most unique rifle possible. Still shoots great! loves the 72 gr. Varminator
 
The problem with older Savage rifles lies mostly in the stock and with that the blind magazine. In the 70's=early 90's, Savage 110's came with a pathetic-looking walnut-stained hardwood stock. They had blind magazines when everyone else had floorplates. In other words, they looked cheap, like a stained 2x4.

The action itself was good. I've had pre accu-trigger 110's that were very accurate.

The problem lies mostly in brand loyalty, with the Remington 700 supposedly being the best rifle ever made, the torch-bearer from Paul Mauser himself. The reality is that the 700 and 110 are far more similar than different, and neither is particularly Mauser other than the double-bridge receiver and enclosed box magazine. Both are push-feed bolt action rifles with tubular-steel receivers. The only real difference is in the nature of the safeties and the barrel-mounting.

The barrel nut is cheaper to do. It just was. It was introduced on their bottom-line 340 because it is cheap. Chamber a go-gauge, screw down the barrel until it stops, then tighten the nut. Easy, quick, reliably, consistent head-spacing. That is why the vast majority of new designs from Marlin, Ruger, and Mossberg copy the Savage system.

The reality is that the cheaper method makes a more-consistent chambering. Consistent head-spacing is far easier using a barrel nut than a shoulder. You could even adjust a barrel for a specific brass, if you wanted to (too much trouble, in my opinion, but possible). But you can be far more consistent with a barrel nut, and that supports accuracy.

1980's Savages were indeed cheap, ugly rifles. But they shot great.
 
I've got a 1992 110. It isn't the most accurate rifle I have. My Savage 12 LRPV is. It was made in 2009. All rifles have pretty much improved in accuracy during the past 15 years. Production processes have made precision bores much easier to get right for example. My 110 actually has a crown issue that makes it less accurate than it should be and the walnut stock warped and I had to replace it because it was putting pressure on the barrel making it less accurate. As it sits now I have no problem shooting a clover leaf group at 100 yards. It probably will shoot about a 1.5"-2" group on average. But considering how much more accurate rifles are now that doesn't seem that great. Just remember that other rifles also had similar improvements over the past 20 years. You just didn't see guaranteed MOA rifles back in the early 90's.

My 110 certainly is accurate enough for my purposes. I have shot some half inch groups with it but they were rare. I haven't really shot it for a while because it's a 30.06 and a nagging neck injury made it where I couldn't shoot more than 20 rounds without having pain issues. But if was going deer hunting that's the rifle I'd be taking.

FWIW my 12 LRPV in .223 is very accurate. It will shoot sub .5" groups at 100 yards all day.
 
...and at the time that those Savage cheap looking rifles were shooting well, they WERE cheap. It was common to spend x2 for the average accuracy they gave.
 
they WERE cheap

Heck they still are. I bought mine for $225 and it came with a decent scope. I've thought about using it to make my dream gun from scratch but it's easier just to buy one. I know it isn't as much fun that way but I prefer shooting to building guns. I'm just funny that way.
 
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