SBR Glock legal ramifications

[Phineas Dregg]

I really like the Roni glock kits:
store.commandarms.com/ronig2-10/

The problem is, it would require registering my Glock 19 as an short barrelled rifle. My Glock 19 is my daily carry gun. The Roni kit would just be a range toy. If I had to use my Glock in self defense, how much trouble would I be staring down? I would be using it as a stock Glock, but if the prosecutor dug around s/he would probably find out that it was registered as an NFA weapon. Would it even be relevant?

 

[tyeo098]

Unlikely.

Buy another Glock if you're that worried about it.

They aren't exactly rare

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Your Glock in a non-FNA configuration is not an NFA weapon and not subject to any restrictions of the NFA.

Mike

 

[joem1945]

IMHO if you get the tax stamp, I don't see why you would have a problem. The tax stamp makes possession legal if allowed by your state.

 

[Phineas Dregg]

thanks

 

[bikemutt]

The only possible downside I can see if you register your G19 as a SBR is you'll be required to engrave it. Whether or not that may affect resale value depends on your buyer I suppose.

 

[Ryanxia]

Your Glock in a non-FNA configuration is not an NFA weapon and not subject to any restrictions of the NFA.

Mike

This.

 

[Tirod]

I'm going to ask this so you all can clarify it: if the Glock, as a pistol, is then Stamped and made an SBR, does it not always follow that it remains a "rifle" and subject to all laws governing it's use?

A similar question was asked somewhere else about a AR pistol lower being SBR'd and the answer there was that it remained a "rifle" for all future intents and purposes. Hence my curiosity.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I'm going to ask this so you all can clarify it: if the Glock, as a pistol, is then Stamped and made an SBR, does it not always follow that it remains a "rifle" and subject to all laws governing it's use?

No.

A similar question was asked somewhere else about a AR pistol lower being SBR'd and the answer there was that it remained a "rifle" for all future intents and purposes. Hence my curiosity.

Whoever said this was simply wrong.

Here are the ATF answers to that same question asked 12 different ways (note their answers on this web page do not take into account their own 2011 ruling on the "close proximity" and "no other legitimate purposes" limitations on constructive possession): https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html I swear, some gun people refuse to take "yes" for an answer

Mike

 

[HRnightmare]

I have to say that if that is such a concern buy the RONI, get the stamp and eventually buy another Glock.

But a pistol registered as an SBR is not an SBR when NOT in the RONI (or other devices)

 

[Theohazard]

As others have said, the registered Glock isn't an SBR when not in an SBR configuration. So the only legal problem you could have is if you were involved in a shooting and it went to court, and a prosecutor or jury was negatively influenced by the fact that your Glock was registered as an SBR.

I'm no legal expert, but I think that's extremely unlikely to be an issue. A vast majority of the general public has no idea what an SBR is, and many gun people don't either. The fact that your Glock was registered as an SBR probably wouldn't mean anything to most jurors, even if it did come up in court. And it would mean even less considering the gun on display would look just like a normal handgun to all observers.

But I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an expert in use-of-force issues, so take my advice for what it is; a layman's opinion.

 

[daehawc]

Tagging off of this discussion, could you engrave the Roni for the SBR? That way you don't effect the resale of the Glock and anytime you have it assembled as an SBR the required engraving is on it.

My further question deals with AR pistols. Say you SBR an AR with a Sig Brace. ATF has said it is a SBR once you shoulder it. With your Form 1 in hand, you put the Sig Brace equipped pistol in your truck. Is it at this time a pistol, only become a SBR as you shoulder it to fire and then returning to a pistol as you set it down?

The legal ramifications come into transporting a loaded pistol under your CCW compared to a Rifle.

 

[tyeo098]

Is it at this time a pistol, only become a SBR as you shoulder it to fire and then returning to a pistol as you set it down?

No one knows.

Thats why the ruling was so controversial.
There are some that are of the mind that that particular ruling would never stand up in court, and its just waiting for a test case.

Meanwhile, everyone is just using A2 tubes instead of sig braces

 

[Arizona_Mike]

The ATF had been flip flopping on 922 and and SBR for some time but the latest regulatory action on the CO Scorpion makes it clear the currently interpret it as applying. I've never even given a thought to Glock SBRs.

Mike