Scope and Mount Problem

[rhtwist]

I was just looking for a cheap 1/2 pad for a stock I'm working on, miday has a pachmayr for $18.

Howdy and yes that is inexpensive. Used pachmayr products in the past. My major concern is getting proper fit without hurting the stock. I don't have the expertise or access to a gunsmith that I know of that does old school kind of work.....
Thanks for the info!

 

[troy fairweather]

Howdy and yes that is inexpensive. Used pachmayr products in the past. My major concern is getting proper fit without hurting the stock. I don't have the expertise or access to a gunsmith that I know of that does old school kind of work.....
Thanks for the info!

Even with simple tools you can fit one of these, simply screw the pad on and trace the edge of the stock and cut the pad. Not sure what tools you have but not many are needed.

 

[rhtwist]

Even with simple tools you can fit one of these, simply screw the pad on and trace the edge of the stock and cut the pad. Not sure what tools you have but not many are needed.

I was figuring you would need a bandsaw, mounted belt sander and such, unless I am over-complicating the process..

 

[troy fairweather]

I was figuring you would need a bandsaw, mounted belt sander and such, unless I am over-complicating the process..

Being a thin pad you can make quick work with a sanding block, some wd40 on the paper help.

 

[Bwana John]

Extended front ring solves your problem

 

[Varminterror]

I was figuring you would need a bandsaw, mounted belt sander and such, unless I am over-complicating the process..

I generally fit buttpads by wrapping one thin layer of masking tape on my stock, installing the pad, then using a disc sander to mate the contours together. Easy peasy.

I’ve done it also with a bench mounted belt sander, a handheld belt sander fit into a bench vise, a drum sander with a collar jig and guide cap (kinda worked like a guided flute bit on a router, but with a sanding drum), and with hand tools. Disc sander just works easier for me.

But…

There’s not a chance in hell I would unduly modify stock fit just to chase eye relief on a scope. The stock should fit our body, and the mounts should position the scope in front of our eye. Mounting solutions exist, and even making or having made custom solutions really isn’t so difficult. Shortening a properly fit stock to chase a scope is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[rhtwist]

Extended front ring solves your problem

Can you please post a picture or link to the item that you believe is what I require? I can not envision it for some reason?

 

[rhtwist]

I generally fit buttpads by wrapping one thin layer of masking tape on my stock, installing the pad, then using a disc sander to mate the contours together. Easy peasy.

I’ve done it also with a bench mounted belt sander, a handheld belt sander fit into a bench vise, a drum sander with a collar jig and guide cap (kinda worked like a guided flute bit on a router, but with a sanding drum), and with hand tools. Disc sander just works easier for me.

But…

There’s not a chance in hell I would unduly modify stock fit just to chase eye relief on a scope. The stock should fit our body, and the mounts should position the scope in front of our eye. Mounting solutions exist, and even making or having made custom solutions really isn’t so difficult. Shortening a properly fit stock to chase a scope is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

In reference to shortening the stock, I generally agree with you. It would be the last resort if I couldn't find the alternative that fits my idea. I may be overestimating my wallet, but I was later considering having iron sights added to the barrel eventually...... Probably wishful thinking. |
Thanks

 

[Bwana John]

Can you please post a picture or link to the item that you believe is what I require? I can not envision it for some reason?

These are Leupold, but most manufactures have them. (The ring on the right would be in the front, the extension would allow the scope to be mounted farther back)

 

[rhtwist]

These are Leupold, but most manufactures have them. (The ring on the right would be in the front, the extension would allow the scope to be mounted farther back)
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Thank you for the visual! I do not know if that is what I need. The front scope mount I have is already too far forward and the ring aligns with the rear of the front receiver ring. The objective expansion to full size of the scope, is just about hitting the front of that ring. I would think I might need something that almost overhangs the ejection port to allow the scope further rearward, toward the butt of the rifle.
Unless I am misunderstanding the overall idea!!?

 

[Bwana John]

Thank you for the visual! I do not know if that is what I need. The front scope mount I have is already too far forward and the ring aligns with the rear of the front receiver ring. The objective expansion to full size of the scope, is just about hitting the front of that ring. I would think I might need something that almost overhangs the ejection port to allow the scope further rearward, toward the butt of the rifle.
Unless I am misunderstanding the overall idea!!?

The rings in the picture are not in correct alignment.
The ring on the right is the front ring.
The scopes objective bell goes on the left side of the ring on the right, do you see the scallop clearance cut?
This allows the scope to be set back farther on the rifle
In reality, as set up on the rifle the left ring (rear) should be to the far right of the front ring in the photo.

“. I would think I might need something that almost overhangs the ejection port to allow the scope further rearward, toward the butt of the rifle.”
That is exactly what extended rings will do, the ring itself will be behind the base, slightly overhanging the ejection port, which allows the scope to be positioned farther back.

 

[Bwana John]

The lower rifle has an extended ring in front, and standard ring in back.
I believe that is how your rifle needs to be set up.
Extended rings can be used in the front or the back, or both front and back, depending on what part of the scope is in the way

 

[rhtwist]

The lower rifle has an extended ring in front, and standard ring in back.
I believe that is how your rifle needs to be set up.
Extended rings can be used in the front or the back, or both front and back, depending on what part of the scope is in the way

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I do believe that your photo and illustration has clicked. Appreciate your time!

 

[3Crows]

I am going to second not cutting a properly fitted stock to get a scope further back. No freaking way. Get a different scope, get different mounts, there is a solution.

 

[rhtwist]

I am going to second not cutting a properly fitted stock to get a scope further back. No freaking way. Get a different scope, get different mounts, there is a solution.

If I were wealthy enough I would have the stock fit to my proportions which is I guess similar to cutting the stock down. No cookie cutter solutions. On the other hand I am not and wish a less invasive procedure for it''s possible resale in the future. Going to shoot it some more and decide if a remedy is actually required or I can get used to it. Could be worse!!
Thanks for your insight!

 

[zeke]

Am short with short arms. Got tired of messing with extended mounts and just started cutting most used stocks down to proper lop. For me this is 12.5 inches (am 5'8"). For rifles with any significant value, usually bought a second stock (if available) so could keep the original. As others said, you should be able to mount the rifle with your eyes closed and have the proper eye relief without adjusting your hold. For some of us, the adj stocks on AR's were a God send. Now a lot of rifles have em, or aftermarket stocks available for em. Am still using the old shotgun trick of putting rear of stock in crook of elbow, and seeing where the first joint of finger is in relation to the trigger. Yes, a cut down stock can seriously affect the resale value, and is certainly a consideration.

For lever rifles, am wanting to be able to cycle the lever without lowering the muzzle and losing sight picture.