Hello all! Well, I finally bought my first deer rifle. A couple of weeks ago I was asking about the Remington 700 CDL SF 257 Roberts, but I made the big mistake of picking up a Savage. Fell in love with the Accutrigger. So great. I ending up getting a new Savage 111 .25-06 with the Accustock at a good price. I'm sure to top this off with a Bushnell Elite 4200, but I have no clue what mounts and rings to get. Don't want a one piece base? Any suggestions? Thanks!
Scope Mounts and Rings suggestions needed!
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Uncle Mike
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The Savage Long actions are long.. Unless you can achieve the correct eye relief with the 4200 and two piece mounts you will have to use an one piece picatinny rail.
As for the two piece mounts, it depends what you want, Leupold, Burris, Talley....
Most of our customers choose the Talley steel detachable mounts or the fixed mounts.
What size objective did you get?
As for the two piece mounts, it depends what you want, Leupold, Burris, Talley....
Most of our customers choose the Talley steel detachable mounts or the fixed mounts.
What size objective did you get?
Hey Uncle Mike. I haven't bought the scope yet. I thinking about buying one online tomorrow. I was thinking about the 3x9 with the 42 objective. Don't know much about mounts or rings. Like I said, it is my first deer rifle. I've always used rifles that my dad's friends loaned me for a hunt. Thanks!
Uncle Mike
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Well don't be surprised if the 4200 wont 'bridge the gap' and still offer the optimum eye relief.
Most Savage longs we do have to have a one piece picatinny rail so the customer doesn't have to stretch his/her neck to get proper eye relief.
A 42mm objective should use medium height rings in most manufactures product. If you decide to go the rail rout you probably can get by with low rings since the picatinny rails tend to be high. Objective bell clearance may be an issue, you can have the end of the rail machined off or simply go to a higher (medium) height ring.
Call Talley (803)854-5700 http://www.talleymanufacturing.com/index.php
The guys at Talley are great, tell them what's up and they will assist you.
For a Picatinny Rail... Ken Farrell makes some of the very best. (660)438-9456 http://www.kenfarrell.com/
Good luck with it.
Most Savage longs we do have to have a one piece picatinny rail so the customer doesn't have to stretch his/her neck to get proper eye relief.
A 42mm objective should use medium height rings in most manufactures product. If you decide to go the rail rout you probably can get by with low rings since the picatinny rails tend to be high. Objective bell clearance may be an issue, you can have the end of the rail machined off or simply go to a higher (medium) height ring.
Call Talley (803)854-5700 http://www.talleymanufacturing.com/index.php
The guys at Talley are great, tell them what's up and they will assist you.
For a Picatinny Rail... Ken Farrell makes some of the very best. (660)438-9456 http://www.kenfarrell.com/
Good luck with it.
for mounting your scope, i am a big fan of talley lightweights on a deer rifle... inexpensive, strong, and the rings are integrated to the base. about as perfect as a hunting rig could hope for...
congrats on the new stick!
btw, all my quarter bores run some form of a 4.5-14x scope on them. seems about the perfect size scope for flat shooting rifles that may occasionally stretch their legs... nothing wrong w/ a 3-9, though.
congrats on the new stick!
btw, all my quarter bores run some form of a 4.5-14x scope on them. seems about the perfect size scope for flat shooting rifles that may occasionally stretch their legs... nothing wrong w/ a 3-9, though.
Thanks for the replies! It looks like I may have to get a longer scope. Do you all think this would be a better choice for a two-peice? I think the Talley Lightweights would be great for me.
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item/62564_Nikon_Scopes_NIK_6453_BKMASTER__4-14X4.aspx
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item/62564_Nikon_Scopes_NIK_6453_BKMASTER__4-14X4.aspx
Uncle Mike
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You'll need a minimum of 6.2" between the back of the ocular lens housing and the back of the objective lens housing. This is with rings that have .625" or LESS width bands.
The wider the ring bands, the LESS room you have to work with, so don't get those super duper sniper 1" wide banded rings. lol
And 6.2" will BARELY do it, if you need more rearward movement to obtain good eye (proper eye relief) you'll have to find a scope with more mounting room.
I do not have that particular scope on the self or I would test fit it to a long Savage but I do not think, IIRC that the Nikon Buckmaster 6453 will fit a long Savage, without using a rail.
Can you see the long cone shaped portion of the forward part of the scope that makes up the rearward part of the objective bell...?
This is the culprit, you need to find a scope with a short 'cone part' of the objective bell or simply a scope with a longer body.
Call some scope manufacturers and get dimensions on the units you would consider using.
The wider the ring bands, the LESS room you have to work with, so don't get those super duper sniper 1" wide banded rings. lol
And 6.2" will BARELY do it, if you need more rearward movement to obtain good eye (proper eye relief) you'll have to find a scope with more mounting room.
I do not have that particular scope on the self or I would test fit it to a long Savage but I do not think, IIRC that the Nikon Buckmaster 6453 will fit a long Savage, without using a rail.
Can you see the long cone shaped portion of the forward part of the scope that makes up the rearward part of the objective bell...?
This is the culprit, you need to find a scope with a short 'cone part' of the objective bell or simply a scope with a longer body.
Call some scope manufacturers and get dimensions on the units you would consider using.
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Uncle Mike
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Yep, but that's part of the fun!
If they will work for you I can highly recommend the Talley lightweights. You can mount them in either direction so it is possible to turn them so they will work with a fairly short tube.
It is possible to get a fairly short scope to work on a Savage, you just have to use the right mounts. Savage makes a good enough rifle, they are just a little more challenging to get the right scope and mounts to work together.
It is possible to get a fairly short scope to work on a Savage, you just have to use the right mounts. Savage makes a good enough rifle, they are just a little more challenging to get the right scope and mounts to work together.
jester_s1
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You can make this very easy on yourself. Go to a shop that has a gunsmith and have him put the right mounts on for you. As an added bonus, the screws will be torqued right, the scope will be straight, and the gun will be boresighted already. Most shops will stock Leupold mounts but can order Talley if you want. Even basic Weavers are strong enough for your application.
chevyforlife21
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the savage is a great gun more accurate then most bolt guns mine shoots better groups then ruger m77s and rem 700s and half the price. and i would go with steel bases man.
You are probably right jester. I have my rifle on layaway at Cabellas here in Buda. I thought I could get a better deal for a scope online. Sure enough, I have been able to locate better deals for scopes. I found a Nikon Monarch 2.5x10 for a good price. I should just snatch it up, and have the guys at Cabellas help me out will all the mounting drama! I'm sure the Monarch would be a good match for the rifle. I can't afford the kind of glass I'm after for a 14x, but I wish I could. I just don't see shooting past 300 yards though here in the Texas hill country.
pgeleven
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i put a DNZ one piece on my Savage and never second-guessed the decision. i know you specified that you wanted a 2 piece, but this item will take much of the guesswork out of initial alignment and provide a sturdy hold.
Thanks for your help everyone! Especially Uncle Mike. I went ahead and bought a Nikon Monarch 3x12x42sf at a great price. I contacted DNZ, and they were really helpful. Talked to a guy name Tim. Very helpful! So, I bought one of their one piece mounts. This set-up should be sweet, and get me in the game. Thanks again.
Share the wealth, please
I am shopping for a Savage 111 and would appreciate if you would share what model or part number DNZ one piece mount and rings you purchased. The picture looks like a really solid reliable mount system.
Also, did you have any problems setting up eye relief and so forth. I was favoring Leupold mounts with the adjustable windage, but if your DNZ's work without any sight in problems, I would love to hear about how it all turned out, please let us know how it worked for you.
It was so much simpler with my 700 and Marlin, since the Marlin came with a base already mounted.
Thanks for all the info guys!
Mike B.
I am shopping for a Savage 111 and would appreciate if you would share what model or part number DNZ one piece mount and rings you purchased. The picture looks like a really solid reliable mount system.
Also, did you have any problems setting up eye relief and so forth. I was favoring Leupold mounts with the adjustable windage, but if your DNZ's work without any sight in problems, I would love to hear about how it all turned out, please let us know how it worked for you.
It was so much simpler with my 700 and Marlin, since the Marlin came with a base already mounted.
Thanks for all the info guys!
Mike B.
Uncle Mike
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Come on now...those pesky Remingtons and Brownings, Winchesters and so on all will give a man gas while trying to mount 'certain' scopes.
Seems as though we have more varieties and body lengths of scope than ever before, but the action lengths of the rifles have not changed.
In the days of old, most scope bodies were long, and they fit all the actions.
Now, we have so many 'short' bodied scopes, we are running into problems with the mounting of these units.
Seems as though we have more varieties and body lengths of scope than ever before, but the action lengths of the rifles have not changed.
In the days of old, most scope bodies were long, and they fit all the actions.
Now, we have so many 'short' bodied scopes, we are running into problems with the mounting of these units.
pgeleven
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for future reference, if youre looking for a DNZ mount, here is their guidelines as to which height you should order:
http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=42&zenid=m3sbshb5qe3j7tvgpu36an2g47
and here is the main menu for their products. just copy the part number and feel free to search online to save a few $ if you can get a bargain.
http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php
i love my mount on my Savage 10FP, it looks really handsome and has gotten compliments, much less the fact that its sturdy and reliable. not one problem yet
http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=42&zenid=m3sbshb5qe3j7tvgpu36an2g47
and here is the main menu for their products. just copy the part number and feel free to search online to save a few $ if you can get a bargain.
http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php
i love my mount on my Savage 10FP, it looks really handsome and has gotten compliments, much less the fact that its sturdy and reliable. not one problem yet
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