Security Guards allowed assault weapons

[Mannlicher]

Since there are so many cult followers of the Mosin-Nagant '91 and it's many varients on this and other BBS, I am sure that most wold think that we could just arm the security personel with those. Oh, and lets lets issue them some Makarovs also.

 

[DMK]

What I want to know is what the heck were they carrying prior to this???

I don't know about NJ, but I knew some folks that worked security at a nuclear plant in NY. They had Berettas and ARs back around '90, '91. They certainly weren't trained like SWAT or anything though and didn't carry the rifles normally.

 

[gunsmith]

it's digusting

hard to imagine a place worse then where I am now.
Demon-crats will never ever get my vote again

 

[raz-0]

Or do they have to be in a locked container not including the glove compartment?

you pretty much nailed the answer with that one. Separate from the ammo.

You don't even want to know about the carry permit process and armed gaurds. The last few companies that do that here are talking about no longer offering armed gaurds in NJ.

Hmm, the doctors are leaving, the insurance companies are leaving, the armed gaurds are getting ready to leave.. You think someone would notice something was up. Me, I assume it will get real amusing after the armed guards leave and the banks start noticing... Wonder what happens when the banks leave?

 

[KahrKarrier]

My fishin buddy here in S. Florida is a Fla Licensed Security Officer (don't call him a guard) additionally he underwent 40 hours of training to earn a "G" license (at great expense to himself and not his company) which authorizes him to carry, exposed, a loaded weapon ONLY while on watch at the jobsight, not authorized to wear exposed while traveling to and from
the job. The only weapon authorized by Fla law is a .38spl, 4"revolver stoked with FMJ only, no JHP's allowed. He has to requal every year at his own expense. This man is assigned to duty solo in areas that the Sheriff's deputies have told him they only go into in pairs, he guards banks, construction sites and believe it or not, grocery stores in the "bad" part of town. All this and only armed with a .38, no mace, no batons allowed. He is totally out gunned by just about anyone he comes in contact with. He works for a well known international security agency who supply him only with uniforms and an old Taurus .38. If he wants body armour, he has to buy it himself. You have to know this man to understand why he does what he does for $10 an hour, he is a thrill seeker who thrives on risk and danger, better him than me.
My point here is that states need to recognize that highly trained security officers (don't call them guards) go into some pretty seedy areas and watch over some places that LEOs avoid. They should be trained with and allowed to carry semi auto weapons of at least .40 cal.
My freind carries a Glock 33 .357sig in a very expensive ankle holster as a BUG to his .38. If his company found out, he'd be fired. If the SHTF and he pops a cap on someone with the Glock, he will probably go to jail. But like he says he'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.
My personal hat is off to all private security officers (don't call them guards) who go into harms way to provide a service for meeger wages. Something needs to be done to help these guys.

 

[VaughnT]

Kahrkarrier, you're dead on about something being done about the quality of personnel in the security business. With low pay and little training, you wind up with Barney Fifes all around. With nothing but Barney Fifes in the employee pool, customers don't see the need to pay good money to security companies who therefore can't increase hourly wages or better the training. States are also at fault for not adhering to the rules regulating security officers (don't call them guards). With some of the rules on the books, 90% of the barneys would be terminated forthwith. Failure to enforce the rules only brings everyone down. And don't believe you can't get good people to take low-paying jobs in high-risk areas. If you can get cops to sign on for $19-22k/yr, then you can get good people into security operations.

MOA, our local nuke plant (Oconee Station) promises temporary security workers $12.60/hr.....and no less than 55 hours per week. They work 12hr shifts, which means you're dead tired by the tenth hour. And what's worse, it's a swing shift so you'll be on days for one week and then switch to nights for the next week. Your biological clock has got to get fried after awhile on that, nevermind a workweek that often goes over sixty hours. Sure, you get time-and-a-half after 40hrs, but when do you get to enjoy that money? I'd hate to think of all the mistakes and snafus that are taking place out there.

Still, given what I know, I'd give my eye teeth for a job out there. It's just such a different type of job! And they are the largest purchaser of ammunition in SC!!

 

[Deepdiver]

Guards that carry both the weapons and ammunition would need to be federally licensed to do so and would be obligated to return the firearms daily to designated supervisors.

...sounds kinda like Barney Fife - some guards get to carry weapons, and others get to carry ammunition, and maybe some really SENIOR guards get to carry BOTH :banghead: (Now, I know what they were trying to say, but they still sound pretty stupid.)

.....now, tell me again why we are so extra secure by placing our personal safety into the hands of the zipper-heads that took two (2) (yes, count them, one, two) years after 9/11 to issue reasonable weapons to the security guards at a nuclear power plant??? These folks are starting to scare me.

 

[shfttrsh]

dd- You only the know the half of it. VaughnT has a fair amount of the story (I work for the company he is talking about) and we are rated as one of the best Nuc. security organizations in the country. A large part of the problem is the simple fact that we do not produce power(money) for the shareholders, therefore the mangement wants to keep the expenses at the minumum the Federal goverment will let them get by with. State laws dealing with private security vary widely and dispite what some think we are subject to those laws. Remember that quite a few in goverment and in the industry still do not believe it will ever happen at a nuclear plant.