See-thru mounts???

[theboyscout]

thinking of getting a scope for my model 1917 rifle but my rifle has iron sites and I don't want to lose my ability to use them when shooting. so I am curious about whether or not to get see-thru mounts or what to do in order to get the most out of my rifle.

 

[Warp]

thinking of getting a scope for my model 1917 rifle but my rifle has iron sites and I don't want to lose my ability to use them when shooting. so I am curious about whether or not to get see-thru mounts or what to do in order to get the most out of my rifle.

That is something that I don't really "get".

In order to get the most out of it you are going to need a proper cheek weld. If you have an optic up high, and iron sights under it, you probably aren't going to be able to get a cheek weld for one or the other.

And the extra height-over-bore for the optic is just going to give you a less-usable zero/trajectory

 

[Nighteyes]

That is something that I don't really "get".

In order to get the most out of it you are going to need a proper cheek weld. If you have an optic up high, and iron sights under it, you probably aren't going to be able to get a cheek weld for one or the other.

And the extra height-over-bore for the optic is just going to give you a less-usable zero/trajectory

What he said...

 

[rcmodel]

In order to scope a 1917, you almost have to grind the rear sight wings off the receiver so it can be drilled & tapped for a scope base.

And I concur 100% that a see-through mount is a very bad idea on any rifle due to stock limitations to support your head sticking up that high.


rc

 

[Abel]

See thru mounts are a gimmick. Get a low power variable if you need your rifle to make close up shots. With my 3-9X40mm on 3X, I can easily make 10 yard shots on walking deer.

 

[Jackal]

Quick detach rings are an infinitely better option than any see through mount. If your scope suffers damage, twist a lever, remove it. All the advantages of a low mounted scope and the ability to easily use irons.

 

[rcmodel]

We seem to be talking about a 1917 Enfield here.

You can't mount a scope on one without grinding the rear sight and sight protector wings off the receiver.



rc

 

[jmr40]

If you want to be able to use both quick detachable mounts are far better than see through mounts. I realize that mounting optics on this rifle may not be realistic, but on others QD mounts are the way to go.

Or just forget about irons. I can do anything better with a low powered optic anyway and I find them at least as reliable as irons.

 

[Geno]

JMHO, please leave it as it was produced.

Geno

 

[Fleetman]

I use see-through mounts on my Ruger MIII handgun....I took the mounts off off a used rifle I purchased since it was uncomfortable to shoot using the scope....they work great on the ruger though and I have my choice of irons or scope.

 

[Warp]

I use see-through mounts on my Ruger MIII handgun....I took the mounts off off a used rifle I purchased since it was uncomfortable to shoot using the scope....they work great on the ruger though and I have my choice of irons or scope.

It is entirely different on a handgun.

1) There is no such thing as cheek weld
2) You won't be shooting a pistol at distances where the height-over-bore of the sights is significant the way it is on a rifle

 

[Onward Allusion]

theboyscout
See-thru mounts???

Like most here, I advise against it. However, if you absolutely must have both irons and glass, consider mounting the optics at an offset.

 

[Fleetman]

well, gosh.....I realize it's different. I was trying to make a point that while I don't find a see-through mount useful on a rifle, they work for me on this handgun.

I was actually agreeing with you Warp.

 

[theboyscout]

No an eddy stone model 1917

 

[theboyscout]

and thanks to all the advice a low optic like 3-9x will probably be what I do

 

[tahunua001]

we are all talking about the same rifle. enfield is just a misnomer since the M1917 was based on the pattern 14 enfield which remington and eddystone built for the brits as they entered WWI.

yours however has already been presporterized so all the purists can goo cry in a corner and lament another loss of history. I would really need more detailed pics of the sight setup before making recommendations but I have to concur with most here, ghost rings are your best bet but you'll have a very scope which will either require a chin weld or an old military style strap on cheek pad to raise your cheek weld a bit. either way ghost rings are a great concept. my brother in law is starting to put them on all of his rifles. his 45/70 in particular makes great use of the setup.

 

[madcratebuilder]

You can always DIY.

 

[SwampWolf]

I positively hate so-called "see-thru" mounts. You need a neck like Ichabod Crane's in order to look through the scope. If you think you really need to access the irons quickly in the event the scope becomes disabled (broken reticle, snow on the lens, etc.), one option is to use a pivot mount, which swings the scope out of the way with the push of your hand. I don't know if they're still being made but Redfield, Weaver ("Pivot-Mount") and Pachmayr ("Lo-Swing") used to market them and can probably still be found at gun shows, auction sites, etc.

 

[henschman]

There is some good advice on here... I agree with everything that has been said about the problems associated with see through mounts, and the desirability of low power variable optics. I like a 1-4x or a 2-7x for that type of rifle myself.

But if you really want both a scope and irons, you can get a scout mount with the scope in QD rings, and peep sights.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I won't comment on you modifying the rifle, because...........well, its your freakin rifle. Do what you want to it.

I will weigh in on the see through mounts. They suck. That is all.

 

[Warp]

What I have done on my rifles:

-Scout scope with QD rings
-Variable 1-4x scope, folding backup iron sights
-Red dot sight cowitnessing the irons

 

[velocette]

Boy scout;
Depending upon what has been done to the rear part of your rifles receiver, you can go to Brownells & get a set of mounts for a Remington model 30.
The Rem 30 is / was the US rifle of 1917 as made by Remington / Eddystone / Winchester, but modifiied after WWI and sold as a sporting rifle.
If the rear part of your receiver has been correctly filed down to a round contour, the model 30 mounts will work. You WILL have to carefully shim the front or the rear mount to get your scope level or slightly high in the rear.
You may need to file the rear part of your receiver to fit the curve of the model 30 mounts.
That's what I did with mine and it works extremely well.






Roger

 

[velocette]

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