Self Defense "Insurance"--Is it a Good Idea?

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In replying to my post on the law of Self Defense Level 1 Course, member Kendahl mentioned self defense "insurance".

That's a very important subject indeed.

There is an awful lot to know about it, and fortunately, there is an LoSD course on it.

If you are involved in an incident involving the use of force, the threat of force, or the exposure of a firearm or other weapon, you will be well advised to (1) be the first to report, and (2) obtain and engage competent legal representation immediately. That will cost money, up front.

Do not wait until things start to unfold. You will end up hopelessly behind.

Will you need "insurance"? That depends entirely upon how much cash you can access. That means access immediately--attorneys do not work on the installment plan.

How much? Well, as a benchmark, it you have done something with a firearm or other weapon, perhaps presenting it but not necessarily so, and you are innocent, getting to a pretrial hearing can set you back around $50,000. That's right, $50,000, cash. That number comes from people who know what they are doing.

That's just for getting to a pre-trial hearing. It may stop there, or it may not. Should you want to request an immunity hearing, the cost will be much higher, even if there is no trial. Don't forget the cost of a full blown trial or two, and maybe an appeal. You do not want to be impoverished after your first trial, and be unable to mount an effective defense in a second. The stakes are far too high

And that's for a clean incident with no shots fired, where the charge would be limited to aggravated assault. Attorney Andrew Branca says that that is the most common kind of case on which he is consulted.

If someone is killed, the multiplier can be very large indeed.

Most, and really all, of the people I know would be a whole lot better off with a plan that provides monetary assistance. They are not insurance per se, in a strict sense. They are contracts that may provide money for your defense, depending upon the terms. They do not cover other liabilities.

The plans are not all the same. In choosing one, consider the following:
  • Does the plan pay up front, which is when you need it, or do they "promise" reimbursement much later, if you are found innocent?
  • Can you choose your own attorney, or are you stuck with one of their choosing, who may well be ill equipped to defend you competently?
  • Does the plan pay for expert witnesses, private investigators to search for exculpatory evidence and witnesses, fees associated with deposing prosecution witnesses (that's what saved Zimmerman), consulting attorneys, staff work, and so on?
  • How much will they cover?
  • How solvent are they?

There's more, but that's enough to chew on for now.

The best way I know to evaluate your alternatives is to take the Law of Self Defense Course on self defense insurance. I just did. I took at least a couple of hours on line. It was worth it.

They compare several leading plans, and provide to a link to a tabular comparison.

How can you tell other your attorney is equipped to serve you all in a self defense case? Few attorneys are. Take the LoSD Level One Course on Self Defense. That should help you know how to go about the interview. I was able to reject a couple of well-regarded criminal defense attorneys long before having taken this course.

Oh, and one other thing. When you are allowed that one phone call, do not call your attorney. The likelihood that he or she will be available when you call is not very high. Instead, call someone whom you know you can reach, and let them keep calling until they make contact. I learned that from Massad Ayoob years ago.
 
There is another criterion for a good self defense insurance program. It must cover you no matter how you defended yourself. If you have to use force or the threat of it, no matter how little, in self defense, you need to get your lawyer on it right away. Two things I held against the NRA's Carry Guard were that it was a reimbursement plan and it only covered self defense with firearms. You need coverage even if you were able to solve the problem hand to hand or with pepper spray and your assailant suffered no real injury.

You also need to read a plan's terms very carefully. It's quite possible for a good plan not to match your personal circumstances. You don't want to discover that when you need their support after an incident.
 
With the increased probability of hard leftists activism, and, they will actually become totally separated molecule by molecule if the current POTUS gets reelected, I am looking into this facet of insurance.
 
Thanks to, the 1966 U.S. Supreme Court case Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436 (1966).

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions. You have the right to have a lawyer with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop answering at any time.

Now just because one has the right doesn’t mean they exercise it, even if they should.

You can buy insurance on a home or a casino bet, should you? I don’t know what are your risks?

If you save your life, in a State where a Police officer gets charged for firing upon someone trying to kill him, you might want to pony up for someone that golfs with the judge you will be before, to defend your life or death actions.

If you are in a State where your rights are at least equal to those that intend to harm you, a public defender might suffice.
 
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If you are in a State where your rights are at least equal to those that intend to harm you, a public defender might suffice.
Your rights do not define the kind of legal representation that you will need.

And you will not qualify for the services of a public defender as long as you have some money, or perhaps a car that can be sold.
 
I figure that for about the same cost as a 50 round box of 230gr Winchester JHPs for a month's of good insurance, I can afford it---I can't afford not to afford it..
 
What happened to all the Lawyer claims that if they "don't win" you pay nothing?
 
What happened to all the Lawyer claims that if they "don't win" you pay nothing?
There’s no cash reward for not being found guilty of a crime when you shoot someone. All you win is your freedom.

Lawyers only work on contingency in civil suits where you are asking for damages and they hope to take 40% of whatever cash amount you are suing for.
 
What happened to all the Lawyer claims that if they "don't win" you pay nothing?
They only represent plaintiffs and take a large fraction, typically half, of the judgement. If you are the defendant, your lawyer will expect to be paid regardless of the verdict and he will want his money up front.
 
I was being sarcastic

Moral of the story is don't carry a gun, never shoot anyone. Become a sheep..
 
I was being sarcastic

Moral of the story is don't carry a gun, never shoot anyone. Become a sheep..

At first glance, that post appears to not be constructive, and would be an obvious candidate for deletion. We do not engage in sarcasm for the sake of sarcasm here.

But on second glance, it provides an opportunity for teaching.

One's risk of criminal charges and prosecution in a use of force incident, and one's need for adequate and competent legal representation, do not stem only from the use of an implement that we would normally classify as a weapon. Harming or threatening someone can involve anything, including hands and feet.

However, some self defense "insurance' contracts only cover the use of a firearm. Do not choose one of those.
 
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I think having large insurance policies encourages lawyers to sue you. That is certainly one contributing factor to medical malpractice litigation.
 
You need a good attorney. How you fund your legal defense is a moot point if you don't have one or know how to get one. I believe a lot of these insurance schemes sell based on two false beliefs:

1. They will cover your ass for the mistakes you make that are "grey areas" or that even cross the line.

2. They will provide a bunch of cash that will magically make an attorney with your best interests in mind appear out of thin air.

Both are very, very wishful thinking.
 
I know all these policies are different so the likely answer to my question will likely be “it depends”


With that said I’ve never heard any of these insurance plans address what happens if you were to hit an innocent bystander, and get sued by said person or family. Does anyone know if they cover that? No one likes to talk about it but that’s unfortunately something to be considered.

I don’t currently have any insurance, though I have considered it. I’m just very cautious and honestly skeptical about anything involving insurance companies and lawyers, I’ve been shafted and seen to many Other people shafted by both to be very trusting.... meaning no offense to anyone, I also know very good people that are lawyers and others in the insurance business.
 
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