Selling a gunny house?

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I'm not selling my house yet, but it's in the five year plan. Aside from the obvious stuff like unload and lock up your iron (except the CCW piece on your hip), what else should be done? I have stray copies of Guns & Ammo, American Rifleman, and misc. catalogs all over the house. What abouts safes, RSCs, cabinets? And, should I do anything special with my reloading bench? I don't intend on leaving the house a pig sty...

Most realtors I've dealt with prefer the owners not be home when they show a house. Recommendations?

ETA: No safe or cabinet, just a small portable RSC under the stairs. Probably will get something bigger soon, but nothing permanent.
 
Some realtors talk up the virtues of a house with a built-in safe hidden behind the clothes in the bedroom closet. That was my experience anyway (not my place, another one down the street I checked out).

Depends on the customer, and the realtor.:)
 
Speaking as a mom who bought this house 2 years ago, one thing to remember is when people are looking at a home, they don't want to see your home. They want to see their home.

Some people can see their home with the other person's personal stuff around. Some can't. I can see "my home" with other people's magazines, pictures, etc. My husband can not.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there may be small children running around. When we first looked at this house, we fell in love with it. Between the time we looked at it and the paperwork with the bid went through, there was an open house. Someone's child scribbled on the front steps with a ball point pen.

While absolute child-proofing is not necessary, knives, scissors, and other dangerous objects should be up high. As attentive as parents are, children are quick.

Also, some people would freak out over gun magazines and related items. A guarantee under the constitution does not protect from hysteria and stupidity. I would hate to see the loss of a bid over what should not be but is a political issue.

That goes for Planned Parenthood and Crisis Pregnancy pamphlets you may have as well. ;)
 
I sold a house 4 years ago, and my approach was this:

All the magazines (paper ones, that is) were packed away. So was all the rest of the gun-related (non-firearm) "stuff." That included a fair stash of ammo. On the advice of our realtor (a family friend) we moved a lot of household stuff to storage to declutter the house and make it "show" better. This all went to a mini-storage unit, along with all the "loose" gun stuff.

The guns themselves were easier, as my plans included getting a larger safe for the new house and selling my rather modest Amsec to a buddy. He got the safe and the guns while we were in transition.

Once we were settled into the new digs, the guns returned to living under my roof in their new, bigger, Fort Knox home.
 
I'm selling my house now.
My real estate agent told me to remove anything I don't want stolen.
Everything is out of my house.
AC
 
SaMx, my house isn't THAT bad! :) The wife doesn't let me hang my "artwork" on the fridge. (That blogger is kinda cute, btw!)
 
Fella's;

I did this about eight years ago. However, the move was from Wyoming to Montana. Therefore, the safe stayed in the house, the Dillon 550 was visible on the reloading bench, etc.

If some loose-lipped drivel had been spouted, it's entirely possible the realtor would have offered the driveler a one-way ticket outta state. :D

Or, stupidity is its own reward.

900F
 
We went through the same thing recently. Fortunately for us, we'd already bought the other house, so all the guns and other stuff that we cared about got moved over there first.

Some friends of ours kept a gun in one of their desk drawers. A family was looking at the house and one of their kids opened the drawer and found the gun. Stupid kid shouldn't have been opening drawers, but those things happen. It wasn't a good situation all-around: "Why did you have a gun sitting in a drawer?" "Why did your stupid kid go snooping around?" etc...

If it's guns, cash, art, breakables and anything else you care about, I'd get it outta there during the sale. The less people know about you (like "they have guns") the better.
 
I'm selling my house now.
My real estate agent told me to remove anything I don't want stolen.
Everything is out of my house.

I have a Real estate license here in Tennessee, if something turns up missing during an open house or showing, the real estate agent and their Broker that are showing the house are responsible for the losses. However advertising isn't good as they can come back after hours.

I would suggest straighten up put anything un-needed in storage to unclutter, Safes are a + if they go with the house like a built in. try your best to make your reloading area look like a functional space. My reloading equipment and gun safes are all in 1 room and thats all that room is used for. Try to make the rest of the house look like something out of a homes and garden magazine.
 
I recently purchased a home. While looking at houses with my realtor (who turned out to be pro RKBA actually) we looked at a fairly empty house that had an SKS leaning against the wall in a bedroom. Now an SKS is not a very valuable firearm, but I still wouldn't leave it out for all to see.
 
Went through this last year

Yes, they prefer that you are not at home during showings.
Personal situation made that impractical so .......... I was there.

Put all personal ( I don't want to lose this/these ) away and out of sight.

RSC was emptied and the door left open ( these things scream GUN COLLECTION !!! ) so no one got any ideas about what might be inside and decide to find out !

Have the place clean/straightened up ( no stacks of dirty dishes/laundry to be done/unmade beds etc.

Yes, it's a pain, especially when you get 5 minutes notice of someone coming 'to look' ( you can tell the agent that you want X amount of time to prepare but don't count on it be followed !!)

Just my 2 cents
 
I have sold three houses and have not given much concern about the gun issue. All the guns were locked in the safe and the reloading bench was neat and orderly. A lot of people joked and wanted to know if the safe and reloading equipment came with the house. I always joked back and said "everything is negotiable!" ;)

The three houses I sold I did not use a realtor because it's hard to find a good one. It also allowed me to pick and choose the people coming through my house. The average time to sell between the three houses was about 3 weeks and I got to pocket the commissions.
 
you CAN STAY home during a showing and even follow them around if you'd like. OR you could just list the house yourself.

I've gotten into some real rage on anothe thread about the value of a realtor, but firsthand I can tell you that they aren't attentive enough to be trusted. I had my prescription hydrocodone stolen from a medicine cabinet during a showing 2 days after I had my appendix removed. Doctors wouldn't prescribe more, so I was pretty much just in a lot of pain for a while.

Also notable... I don't let anyone into my home that I do not know...not friends of friends even. When I have a garage sale I hide my valuable lawn mower and other stuff. I don't want anyone to see my stuff and say "hey, this place has no alarm system and nice stuff!" all they've got to do is case the place out for a few days to figure out your work schedule then call your realtor and tell them they want to see the house again. They know you'll be out and they can go hog wild ripping you off all day long while you're at work.

Be cautious about vacating your home for visitors. It doesn't make sense logically to me to ever let people in MY HOME without me being around, even though I've got a nice safe... if someone found out what time we were at work, they could just park a van in the garage, unbolt it, and wheel all 600 lbs of it into the back of their van between the hours of 9-5...and they would score my entire collection all to be pawned before I could even get home and find them missing.

I 100% agree with MarshallDodge, if YOU show the house, people see that you're a gun owner and they know you personally rather than an anti that starts thinking "nice house, but he's got 12 guns so he's got to be a crazy guy" and they start picturing ted kazinsky in their heads because they've never met you. I think that would probably turn an anti off to your home...

personally, there are some real crazy anti-government anti-something anti-everything fellas out there who are stocking up enough explosives and booby trapping their homes that If I visited a home with a 25 lb keg of powder and a bunch of pipes I'd want to meet the guy first just to ease my mind that he's not a lunatic who may have put a trip wire in the crawlspace and forgot about it because "the IRS" was breaking into his home while he was sleeping to plant wiretaps on his computer. Used to work with a fella who actually believed that.... he's since been locked away after battery of an LEO.
 
I'm a full-time agent in Texas.

As others have said, lock up anything small enough to be pocketed. Kids, especially, are attracted to "neat" things and will pocket all kinds of stuff without Mom and Dad knowing.

Things to lock away...
-Jewelry
-Small collectables
-Prescription medications (that Viagra scrip will sell for $20 a pill on the street)
-Anything with concentrated value (either real or sentimental)

Things to put out of the way...
-Breakables
-Things that can trip, snag, burn, scratch, cut, or generally get in the way

De-personalize the house. As Ms. Hoppes said, potential buyers are there to imagine themselves in a new home. It's far, far easier for them to do so if your personal stuff isn't laying around. A picture here or there is fine - it makes the house feel like a home - but pictures blanketing every wall in sight make the buyers feel like they are intruding. Souvenirs, novelties, and mementos too. Make it look like an ad for a furniture store.

As tempting as it is to be there when it's shown, it's a patently bad idea. Be gone. If you're there the buyers will spend their time trying not to insult you instead of taking their time and looking at the house. With you there they will never be able to think of it as "our home". If you are worried about something being stolen, you haven't de-cluttered or secured the house enough. Go through it until you have no problem leaving it available for showing.

Being there during showings because you have something you don't want stolen later is a paranoid fallacy. Just because you are there doesn't stop people from seeing the object in question. In fact, it may make it more enticing because your body language could easily say "this object is worth a lot". The only way to keep it completely safe is for them not to see it at all. The only way to do that is lock it away or get it out of the house. If you're worried about someone coming back later while your at work and stealing something, that something shouldn't be there.

If something as polarizing as gun stuff can be moved into storage, do it. If it can't be moved out of the house, at least move it all to a single room and throw a cover over it (like you're trying to keep dust out, not hide it). That way it's concentrated in one spot and can be mentally excused by anti-gun buyers if the rest of the house is acceptable. This goes for posters, magazines, and displays, too.

If you don't have an off-site place to store your stuff, an alternative is to find a small closet somewhere in the house and put an exterior (keyed) knobset on it. It won't be Fort Knox, but it will keep prying eyes and curious hands away. Out of sight, out of mind.

Aside from that, clean and neat. If it needs painting, paint it. If it needs fixing, fix it. If it needs a good cleaning, bust out the supplies and have at it. Put in a new kitchen sink faucet and scrub the sink sparkly clean. Pop the sixty or seventy bucks for that new bathroom faucet and shower diverter. Spend a couple of hours scrubbing the toilet and tub enclosure. Wipe down all the switch and outlet faceplates (replace if necessary, they are pathetically cheap). Scrub all the guck off your doors that accumulates around the knobs and pulls. Lemon oil any exposed wood. Etc, etc, etc.

And for heaven's sake don't try to impress potential buyers by putting scented somethings all around the house. Heavy scents turn people off and make people wonder what you're trying to cover up. Your house should smell like nothing. At most, there should only be the slightest whiff of something neutral (vanilla or citrus). If you want to put in a few cookies to bake, fine, but do it hours ahead of time, not just as they walk in.

I can't recommend enough getting a pre-sale inspection. Homeowners become blinded by familiarity to their home's faults. An inspection will show you the things that will eventually need to be addressed anyway. Once you get everything taken care of, you can have the inspector come back in. Use both inspections plus any repair invoices to show the potential buyer how much better your house is than the one down the street where the seller hasn't taken the time up front to make things right. Gives the buyer a sense of security about your house (removes potential objections).

Brad
 
Selling a Gunny House

And a h/t to Strat81 for calling me cute by the way. I did take down my "Artwork" off the refrigerator. But I refuse to pretend I don't actively participate in gun sports just to sell my house. I had a realtor open house and everyone loved it, the 30 foot ceilings, the beautiful decor, the textured walls I hand did. One realtor, however refused to show it until I took down the deer mount from my first bow kill. Bambi stayed up in the library, as I know there are as many shooters writing that down payment check as there are anti second amendment tree huggers.

All I did was the obvious, I hid well anything that someone could walk off with during an open house, clips, jewelry, ammo, small keepsakes of value, and my smaller guns, the Glock and the Sig. The rest I left where it was. If someone thinks they're going to walk out of the house unnoticed with a couple of Bushmasters and a Belgium Browning under their arm they're in for a surprise. Besides if their intentions were criminal and not realty related they'd be less likely to come back to the home of the "single woman being transferred" than if I DIDN'T have a gun.
 
Speaking as a mom who bought this house 2 years ago, one thing to remember is when people are looking at a home, they don't want to see your home. They want to see their home.

I just wanted to see the garage. That is the most important thing for most guys. My wife loved this one house, but it only had a two car garage...too small for me.
 
I'm with you, AlaskaErik.

I was sold on this house (which we bought three or so years ago) from the outside, because it had not one, but two garages. A two-car attached ("cars") and a two+ car detached ("workshop").

"Let's buy it honey... oh, you want to look inside? OK, if we must" :D
 
PAshooter said:
I was sold on this house (which we bought three or so years ago) from the outside, because it had not one, but two garages. A two-car attached ("cars") and a two+ car detached ("workshop").
My realtor that sold me my present house is a pro-gun and pro-workshop. He always told me "Buy the workshop and the house gets thrown in on the deal" :D
This house has a large 2-car garage with an office on 1 acre. As soon as I get the cash saved up my wife has given me the OK to build a 40X60 shop.:D:D:D
 
Dang I hate selling a house. And I have never sold one personally. Just helping my parents sell grangparents home, sister, wife sell them is enogh.
Grandparents house the city wanted to buy it for new Dr. It was next to clinic so ideal.
Thing is they wanted it updated first..... at their expense.... BEFORE THEY BOUGHT.
Sad to say I was too young (14) to be able to advise parents. I did understand they were ruining the house. (dang experts that don't know jack)
Lets see. They stuck Natural gas furnace in bathroom (instead of basement/celler like it belongs) and cut holes in walls (up HIGH) for central heat. ( also should have gone UNDER house as there was a crawl space under entire house except back porch) Then they decided the arch between living room/front fancy sitting room made it feel small. So they (WITOUT ASKING) and it was over 100 miles away. SMASHED down the wall/arch. (can you say load bearing?) Yep we wound up loosing the entire house. (city comdemed it) This was back before suiing was in vouge...

Anyway remove everything you possibly can. Lock up rest and be prepared to clean up crap. I could write a book on wifes house. (180+ miles away) Door locks broken, lights/heat left on (house used more water/electric when nobody lived there then when she lived there) The MESS after showings.
 
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