Shot my 10mm again, and liked it this time...

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I have a Witness 10mm, and was shooting PMC 170grnHP's. The last time I shot this pistol, this was my general feelings on it: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=48263&highlight=Witness+10mm. I now like this gun much, much more now.

Lessons learned:

1. Shoot outdoors when your gun goes BOOOOOOOOMM!!!. :eek: :scrutiny:
2. Plugs are infinitely better out doors than earphones are indoors.
3. A little dry-firing goes a long way.
4. Shoot outdoors, as concrete blocks amplify sound.
5. Grasp firmly, and use a stance that you are comfortable with. You dont have to be an exact replica of what the Range Guy's suggested position is.
6. Try not to flinch (still working on that :eek: )
7. Shoot outdoors, as concrete blocks amplify sound. (is there an echo?)
8. Shoot reactive targets :D :D :D :

Seems this bad boy doesnt like AOL. This was 5 out of 8 shots (the middle hole was the stick) as the wind was blowing, making me miss a couple.
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Glad to hear ya' enjoyed it this time out. I too have a 10mm, and it is by far my favorite gun.(It's a DW 1911)
Try checking out the 10 ring over on glocktalk for tons of info about the 10mm. Also, you can get some real 10mm loads from doubletap ammo through mcnett over there.
If, after a few more range sessions, you decide that the 10mm isn't your cup of tea afterall....PM me....I'll take it off your hands!!!!LOL!!!!:D
 
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Wanted to add: by the time I stopped flinching, my wrist got sore about the 30th round. Are there wrist braces for shooting handcannons? Does anyone use them to any success?
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How are you gripping the gun? I found that switching my grip to the thumbs-high style helped considerably. I can shoot hundreds of rounds if I want now. When you're pulling back and down with that left hand it really locks the right wrist in.

Best description I could find was Leatham's over on American Shooter

Now he's using a 1911 but my experience is that the grip is good with ANY gun.

As always YMMV :)
 
Are there wrist braces for shooting handcannons?

I have found that the wrist braces used by bowlers work well for shooting.
They support the wrist but don't impede the fingers.
 
I used to be in love with 10mm autos, but I just can't get over the noise factor.

Maybe someday 50 years from now when I don't have much hearing left anyways, I'll buy one for self defense.
 
I can shoot hundreds of rounds if I want now. When you're pulling back and down with that left hand it really locks the right wrist in.
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I think that was the part I forgot. I was gripping it the right way, but I wasnt pulling back. One step at a time I guess. God only knows how everyone gets the hang of everything and then proceeds to get good groups.:confused:

I know, I know...practice, practice, practice.
 
Glad to hear you like it. Indoors if the sound bothers you I recommend plugs AND muffs. Just don't expect to be able to make out any voices so really pay attention to what's going on around you.

I have my 1st 10mm on it's way, a Colt Delta Elite. I was going to buy a Witness but a THR member put their Elite up at a good price and I couldn't resist.

The 10mm is going to be my "middle gun". My "little gun" being my Glock 24P and my "big gun" being a Desert Eagle .50 AE. After I got the .50 everything else just seemed so tame :D

I missed the cuncussion and 2-3 feet of flame out the barrel. So for a happy middle ground I thought I'd get a 10mm. Also being a relative of the .40 I already have all the reloading equipment for it. Plus I didn't have any CZ/TZ pattern guns or 1911 pattern guns in my stable so I had to correct that. 1911 just happend to get the nod first.

I might still get a Witness Hunter Pro in 10mm if I find a good deal on one. But all I really want is the 6" barrel so I might just get a differant barrel or upper for the Colt and get a CZ-97B or CZ-75 SA for my CZ pattern gun.
 
WonderNine,

I used to be in love with 10mm autos, but I just can't get over the noise factor.

Maybe someday 50 years from now when I don't have much hearing left anyways, I'll buy one for self defense.
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Coming from someone who totes a 2" .357, that's actually quite humorous. :)


(Uh, you did mean it as a joke, right?) :uhoh:
 
Coming from someone who totes a 2" .357, that's actually quite humorous.


(Uh, you did mean it as a joke, right?)
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Tamara, that's the best compromise for power, reliability and compactness out of a pocket gun for me until I can afford an MK9 and I'll probably still be hesitant to carry it because I don't think an MK9 will be as reliable as my Cop, especially with pocket lint. You know I'm not stupid enough to carry my Cop with full power loads right? Anyways....

You'd be surprised at how quiet 125gr. .357 Remington Golden Sabers out of a 2.5" barrel are, COMPARED TO full house 125gr. Remington JHP's out of a 6" Smith model 19. You of all people should know this, in fact I'm sure you do, you're just biased towards any and all 1911 platforms ;)

Enter a Taurus titanium .41 magnum ported snub firing 210gr. loads, I think that's just about the loudest factory gun possible with factory loads. I'll bet it's as loud as 45/70 revolvers shooting full power factory loads. My father was with me the second or third time I shot it and some kid next to me was shooting a .357 with Fiocchi loads. My father was talking about how that thing was a "cannon". Then I loaded mine up and fired and it kinda drownd out the noise of that .357 completely, I was laughing inside hehehe. It was the second handgun I ever fired. And without earplugs no less.

The first time I shot this gun I fired almost two twenty round boxes of Winchester 210gr. and then I couldn't take it anymore. Not bad for a noob huh? :D I didn't want to drive back into town to get earplugs because that would be another fifteen mile trip each way. My ears ringed for two hours afterward.

I learned my lesson early about noise and self defense rounds. I think if I ever had to fire than thing indoors my eardrums would literally explode.

And then started my obsession/love affair with autoloaders and eventually the P35.
 
WonderNine,

You'd be surprised at how quiet 125gr. .357 Remington Golden Sabers out of a 2.5" barrel are,
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Having fired plenty of Remington Golden Sabers out of my 2.5" 686 and 3" K-frames, they sure didn't strike me as any quieter than most 10mm loadings. Must be the barrel/cylinder gap. :uhoh:

That's what always confused me about the "Oh, I won't carry a .40/.357/10mm/Whatever, because it's too loud..." school of thought. Even a 9mm or a +P .38, when discharged indoors, is going to leave your ears ringing (a sign that hearing damage has been done.)
 
I love the 10. I don't know about the witness but my g-20 will fire .40S&W without modification. The extractor will hold the round (headspace) for firing. Ejection, feeding slide lock all work perfectly. I'm getting a conversion barrel for cheap, low recoil practice. Try blazer 200gr. TMJ's. They have moderate recoil and noise, and are very accurate. One thing I"ve found is that less practice is sometimes better, lots of dry firing, then I limit myself to 150 rounds of 10mm per session.
 
I love the 10. I don't know about the witness but my g-20 will fire .40S&W without modification. The extractor will hold the round (headspace) for firing.
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This is a potentially bad idea. FYI. ;)

Buy the appropriate barrel.

Mike
 
Coronach, you are right. I felt a need to try it once, it was at the end of a range session, and I went through one mag of 40. It probably isn't good for the extractor in the long run, and it could build up fouling ahead of the case mouth, decreasing reliability with 10mm. Conversion barrel on the way. The recoil was amazingly soft, softer than a 9mm, it felt like a massage rather than recoil. I don't know if anyone makes a conversion barrel for the witness, mabey EFK?
 
Tamara, ears ringing is one thing, blood oozing out of your ears is entirely another. I just wouldn't want to fire a full power .357 out of a revolver indoors that's all. They are MUCH louder than a 9mm.
 
WonderNine,

Tamara, ears ringing is one thing, blood oozing out of your ears is entirely another.
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Blood oozing out your ears?!?!? Where are you getting this stuff from? I've been in a small room when there was an ND with a .30-'06 not three feet away from me, and there was no "blood oozing out my ears". Heck, they weren't even ringing (although the person in the room with me had a pretty good case of ringing ears for the next hour); I was able to hold a conversation in a normal tone of voice immediately after. :rolleyes:
 
At a gun store I was at a guy dropped the hammer on an M1A with a live round in the chamber and blasted a nice hole in the ceiling. I was about 8 odd feet away and do not remember much ringing in the ears afterwords. Like most of the guys there, it seemed to matter if you were close by and B.S.-ing or if you were shopping and had your back turned like me. Those of us a few feet away did not seem as bothered by the noise as those close by (you should have seen where the spent cartraige got ejected onto. picture big beer belly and loose tee-shirt).

ps: the owner of the shop was pissed. The trigger guy was one of those braggered types that hang out at gun shops and spout stuff. I have not seen him since.

Finally. I remember no blood from the ears or the like.....
 
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